Why Did Daiwa Cancel The Fuego?

[mhood]

perhaps we get what we deserve

I think we get what they conclude we want. My problem is that I lack faith in Daiwa's ability to judge the USDM. Basing everything on sales figures is misleading because sales figures only reflect existing product. I think they believe there's no market for finesse in the US...

[tokugawa]

perhaps we get what we deserve

I think we get what they conclude we want. My problem is that I lack faith in Daiwa's ability to judge the USDM. Basing everything on sales figures is misleading because sales figures only reflect existing product. I think they believe there's no market for finesse in the US...

Or maybe they think that the finesse market is served entirely by spinning reels and not baitcasters?

[Vladimir_Kazan]

One note: in reality TD-Z105H is much more "finesse" than Sol, in all senses; even TD-Z103H I consider as a more "finesse", though a bit.

[Vladimir_Kazan]

30.07.2010, 23:00 -

Orange reels rules

[mhood]

Orange reels rules

They certainly do! Way to finesse them Vladimir.

[Snapper G]

Hope fully because they plane on replacing it with an awesome-er reel! They've got a huge gap they NEED TO FILL!!

Same goes with the Sol, and Viento.

[Vladimir_Kazan]

SG,
But I've bought my Sol for $99.98 NIB TMD. Do you think such height of quality/price can be overjumped?
Not by Daiwa. No MORE in Japan.
IMHO the replacing means some improvements at about the same price. Some bling-bling with reduplication the price is... not the replacing.

Marc,
...And orange bites too.
BTW, the photos are made at +33C. We for month have of heat, 35-40C in the afternoon, 25-30C at night. There are no rains, no wind... If I'll meet somebody who has refused to sign the Kioto agreements, I'll kill him of dead in place.

[DavidSA]

Daiwa logic somewhat defies logic.

I can see cancelling the Feugo though. That reel had been out a while. Made a big splash at introduction then went all quiet. No one talked about it again until they eliminated it. By that time, many companies had caught up with the Feugo using cheaper parts. The braking system on the Feugo was poor for anything with wind drag and it pitched poorly vs. the sol or MG50.

Comparing peformance of the Premier 2010 vs. Feugo; well better eliminate the Fuego quickly because it is a no contest. I can't think of anything the Fuego could do as well as a Premier. Fuego though is smoother then the E7 and may be better built. Elsewise, I think the E7 out performs the Fuego substantially in braking and pitching light lures.

[dragon1]

I'll type it again....Daiwa has needed their own manufacturer's support forum for a long time now. If they really want to listen to their customers, TT is as good a barometer as any out there.

[RussB]

I think the E7 out performs the Fuego substantially in braking and pitching light lures.

I agree, and that's even with the couple hundred dollars of upgrades I have in my Fuego's!``

[tokugawa]

Daiwa logic somewhat defies logic.

Comparing peformance of the Premier 2010 vs. Feugo; well better eliminate the Fuego quickly because it is a no contest. I can't think of anything the Fuego could do as well as a Premier.

To be fair, you are comparing a brand new reel with a reel design that is over 5 years old...and you are comparing reels with a $50 dollar price difference. Compare it to a closer priced contemporary, like the old STX, and you have a close game.

I think the E7 out performs the Fuego substantially in braking and pitching light lures.

I agree, and that's even with the couple hundred dollars of upgrades I have in my Fuego's!``

This is true! For light baits, you buy a Sol. It's like using a screwdriver to hammer a nail and then noting that a hammer works better. Mag Z is never intended for light baits - Mag V is...

[DavidSA]

I think the E7 out performs the Fuego substantially in braking and pitching light lures.

I agree, and that's even with the couple hundred dollars of upgrades I have in my Fuego's!``

Yep, mine were upgraded as wel:( Still not much finesse in that reel. Cast a trap a mile though.

[DavidSA]

Daiwa logic somewhat defies logic.

Comparing peformance of the Premier 2010 vs. Feugo; well better eliminate the Fuego quickly because it is a no contest. I can't think of anything the Fuego could do as well as a Premier.

To be fair, you are comparing a brand new reel with a reel design that is over 5 years old...and you are comparing reels with a $50 dollar price difference. Compare it to a closer priced contemporary, like the old STX, and you have a close game.

The post is why did they cancel the Fuego. I believe it is because it is a 5 year old design that is no longer state of the art. I paid less for my 2010 Premiers then I did my 3 Fuego's 5 years ago and got some great sun glasses with them. But, you are correct that I'm comparing reels in the same general class but separated by $50 list.

[RussB]

I think the E7 out performs the Fuego substantially in braking and pitching light lures.

I agree, and that's even with the couple hundred dollars of upgrades I have in my Fuego's!``

This is true! For light baits, you buy a Sol. It's like using a screwdriver to hammer a nail and then noting that a hammer works better. Mag Z is never intended for light baits - Mag V is...

The E7 is versatile, and handles all baits well. I added orange seal spool bearings, and it's even better!

...and I do have a Sol en route, and I will no doubt throw money at it like a drunken sailor

[tokugawa]

I think the E7 out performs the Fuego substantially in braking and pitching light lures.

I agree, and that's even with the couple hundred dollars of upgrades I have in my Fuego's!``

This is true! For light baits, you buy a Sol. It's like using a screwdriver to hammer a nail and then noting that a hammer works better. Mag Z is never intended for light baits - Mag V is...

The E7 is versatile, and handles all baits well. I added orange seal spool bearings, and it's even better!

...and I do have a Sol en route, and I will no doubt throw money at it like a drunken sailor

The versatility is nice, and that seems to be a difference between Shimano and Daiwa. Shimano reels tend to be very good generalists, and the Daiwas tend to be very good specialists. Depends on what an angler wants...

An Alphas Ito spool is a nice addition to the Sol...if you can scare one up.

[Incognito]

The only problem with the Fuego as far as I'm concerned was the spool. I have no idea why they used a spool heavier than that of the Zillion. Put an HLC spool in there and the braking is a dream and the reel can compete with any of the fancy new offerings. The more I think about it and the more it becomes obvious to me: if Daiwa used lighter spools in more of its baitcasting models (not just the Steez or JDM only models), they would move back into top tier. But here's the head scratcher: Daiwa introduces a brand new Zillion and it has the same spool as before (as far as I can tell). And of course the new Zillion is still heavier overall than the now canceled Fuego.

[dragon1]

I have thought about this for a while...

If someone had the acumen and capital, the manufacturing/marketing of custom handles, knobs, components and spools for USDM reels is likely a viable business. Make the product high quality, price competively and make availability easy.