The Patriarch is not a bad reel, it's average just like the review concludes. When compared to top performers like the Stradic CI4+ or the Daiwa balistic I think it's a no brainier. I would choose the daiwa or shimano, save a few bucks and get a better reel.

Can't wait to read the shootout, I got money on the Daiwa.

I am more excited to see the review on this than any other reel, looks like a game changer.

Does anyone know if the cast control knob clicks?

Great review. I hope you do a shootout between the Stella & Steez, that would be sweet.

So you are saying that Daiwa Ballistic 2500 represents entire manufacturing done by China, or Malaysia? Yes, it is cost cutting move to build factories in China, but it doesn't mean quality it self is lower. How many people like Stradic Ci4+ or Curado I? they are certainly made in Japan. You still ...

I meant the Balistic spinning reel, not the T3. Its built in china, i just looked at it.

Why does this matter. I know Apple/Megabass have production in China. I will 100% still buy them since they are excellent products. Computers are one, thing but when it comes to reels there's a reason most of the high-end models like the stella,chronarch, Calcutta, conquest, TDZ, and steez are made...

lurer wrote:Markanthony404, the new zillion is made in thailand if I am not wrong.

My bad, my balisic is made in china. I agree with trent_s, it's still a downgrade.

Daiwa fumbled the redesign of one of their most iconic reels. ](*,) Wish I had a collection of them on a shelf...funds being what they are, I may have to be happy with my two Zillions... Surely I can find an excuse to buy one more :-k That's a shame Daiwa has cheapened one of their best line of ree...