Luxxe Rods

[domthewon]

I read this a few times and I'm not clear on what you are saying. Are there certain rods that claim to use the higher end materials in their blanks, but some aren't really as good as others? Just trying to understand what you are saying so I can buy the rod thats using the best materials for the $ . Which of the rods you mentioned are you getting the most out of what you are paying for in your opinion.
thanks,
Dom

http://www.olympic-co-ltd.jp/fishing/products/vigore/

Torayca®" T 1100 G , TI, and Torzite....all for $320

Now that looks like a bargin!

Nice! Gonna look into those.

[drewlesch]

I will post some more pics this evening, but I would like to point out some the primary differences in the rods to the best of my knowledge.
6'7 M Oltre: 75,000 YEN, 115grams
7'0 MH Efreet: 53,000 YEN, 110 grams
I paid 125600 including shipping, so a bit of some savings.
The Oltre is certainly the prettier sister, but I would still marry the Efreet
The two primary claims to fame on the Efreet is the Torayca®" T 1100 G and the fact that it is supposed to have been made 100% in house. To be able to build it in house and utlize one of the most expensive types of blank material at a price point of 50k YEN, they had to cut somewhere. The most obvious cost savings is in the Stainless/SIC guide train as opposed to OLTRE's TI/Torzite. They saved a bit on the bottom handle portion utilizing EVA, saved a bit on a slightly less blingy reel seat and screw down nut. I don't know if the lack of a TI tip could be considered cost savings as the blank material in the EFREET is superior to the Oltre.

I own a couple of other $600 rods and I will say that the fit and finish on both of these Luxxe's are spectacular. The feel in hand is stellar. The balance point's on both of these rods with the >6oz IS's is on the tip of the screw down nut. Total weight on each combo is 9.5oz for the IS UC/Oltre without line and 9.6 oz for the Red Galaxy/Efreet with a full spool of braid.

More later for anyone who is interested.

Count me in as interested, and am looking for on the water comparisons as a hloder of oltre shares and efreet poor.

You brought out my inner geek with "as the blank material in the EFREET is superior to the Oltre". What follows is the results of my inner geek screaming out WU-TANG and when keeping it real goes wrong. I am not by any means an expert on carbon/blank technology but have noticed similarities in the promotional material from Japanese high end rod manufacturers. None of which matters in terms of how a rod handles in actual fishing applications but I like to get what I pay for...

Per Toray there are 4 applicable products specific to fishing rods which use the "NanoAlloy" material. Resins 2573 and 2574 (T800SC/T1100GC). EG provides their metrics for each here:
https://www.evergreen-fishing.com/news_ ... _gt_rs.php
Toray products here:
http://www.torayca.com/en/download/pdf/prepreg.pdf
With references to fishing rods here (this seems dated):
http://nanoalloy.toray/product/application/app_004.html

It seems that you can find references to NanoAlloy in quite a bit of fishing advertising, both in high dollar and budget rods. Sticking with the enthusiast level gear there are references to "NanoAlloy" in each of the following:
Shimano Ultima (1610BFS):
http://fishing.shimano.co.jp/product/rod/3533
Evergreen RS:
https://www.evergreen-fishing.com/news_ ... are_rs.php
Steez Racing Design (as Nano Plus!):
http://www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/item/ro ... index.html
And both the Oltre and Efreet lines:
http://www.gamakatsu.co.jp/client/produ ... Code=24228
http://www.gamakatsu.co.jp/client/produ ... Code=24408

Then there seems to be a bunch of BS ad man lingo about the further tech which goes into the blanks ie (focusing more on the RD and Oltre line-ups):
Oltre "Techno Titanium Top"
Titanium type tip of solid type adopting β titanium. It became possible to install more delicate and high strength heads. At the same time, it realizes high sensitivity performance peculiar to metal materials.

Racing Design "SMT (Super Metal Top)" which adopts superelastic titanium alloy and realizes surprising sensitivity impossible with carbon material. It is a tubular (hollow) structure made of a super elastic titanium alloy that transmits vibrations for a long time, pursuing an ideal condition.

AND
Oltre "PCS (Power Cross System)"
By inserting high-strength carbon fiber in the direction of 45 ° in conventional direction from carbon biogenic direction, it strengthened the rigidity against twisting. By doing this, you can demonstrate the repulsive power and power of the entire rod without regret, and you can draw out the original potential of the rod nearly 100%.

Racing Design "X45"
Twist prevention is "45 °" optimal. Optimum structure for preventing twisting which revolutionizes power and operability. By winding DAIWA's unique bias cloth (such as carbon fiber skewed to ± 45 °) to the conventional structure (0 °, 90 ° to the rod tip), it prevents twisting, power, operability, sensitivity leap Improvement.

I'm going to make a leap here, and I will offer in advance that I have nothing to back this up with...
Focusing on what seemingly across all manufacturers is consistent in their advertising is the relationship to 45* weaving.
In the Toray product catalog for T1100G prepeg products there are 3 entries, and the two with "45" in product type have higher carbon count:
P17043G-10
P17045G-10
P17045G-12

From raw material to whatever processes the manufacturers use to create the end product, assuming I'm pulling from accurate Toray product pages... The raw material for a "T1100G" blank comes from 1 of 3 products. In looking at the carbon content and lack of "PCS" references in the efreet product page led me to believe that the efreet does not come from either P17045G-10 nor P17045G-12.

For terribly biased and unsubstantiated opinion I'd guess that the Steez RD is coming from the P17045G-10 and most other manufacturers are using the P17045G-12.

I read this a few times and I'm not clear on what you are saying. Are there certain rods that claim to use the higher end materials in their blanks, but some aren't really as good as others? Just trying to understand what you are saying so I can buy the rod thats using the best materials for the $ . Which of the rods you mentioned are you getting the most out of what you are paying for in your opinion.
thanks,
Dom

Really my post was about reading into the marketing hype in an attempt to find clues where the supposed differences are from manufacturer to manufacturer and line to line. I should have emphasized the comment that I’m interested in hearing how the efreet handles on the water because I don’t pick up any of my rods and think “wow this toray T1100G nanoalloy blank...”.
Without having handled either EG RS nor Steez RD rods I can’t comment. I am very happy with the Luxxe Oltre rods which I own, from performance on the water to fit and finish they suit how I fish very well.

[domthewon]

I will post some more pics this evening, but I would like to point out some the primary differences in the rods to the best of my knowledge.
6'7 M Oltre: 75,000 YEN, 115grams
7'0 MH Efreet: 53,000 YEN, 110 grams
I paid 125600 including shipping, so a bit of some savings.
The Oltre is certainly the prettier sister, but I would still marry the Efreet
The two primary claims to fame on the Efreet is the Torayca®" T 1100 G and the fact that it is supposed to have been made 100% in house. To be able to build it in house and utlize one of the most expensive types of blank material at a price point of 50k YEN, they had to cut somewhere. The most obvious cost savings is in the Stainless/SIC guide train as opposed to OLTRE's TI/Torzite. They saved a bit on the bottom handle portion utilizing EVA, saved a bit on a slightly less blingy reel seat and screw down nut. I don't know if the lack of a TI tip could be considered cost savings as the blank material in the EFREET is superior to the Oltre.

I own a couple of other $600 rods and I will say that the fit and finish on both of these Luxxe's are spectacular. The feel in hand is stellar. The balance point's on both of these rods with the >6oz IS's is on the tip of the screw down nut. Total weight on each combo is 9.5oz for the IS UC/Oltre without line and 9.6 oz for the Red Galaxy/Efreet with a full spool of braid.

More later for anyone who is interested.

Count me in as interested, and am looking for on the water comparisons as a hloder of oltre shares and efreet poor.

You brought out my inner geek with "as the blank material in the EFREET is superior to the Oltre". What follows is the results of my inner geek screaming out WU-TANG and when keeping it real goes wrong. I am not by any means an expert on carbon/blank technology but have noticed similarities in the promotional material from Japanese high end rod manufacturers. None of which matters in terms of how a rod handles in actual fishing applications but I like to get what I pay for...

Per Toray there are 4 applicable products specific to fishing rods which use the "NanoAlloy" material. Resins 2573 and 2574 (T800SC/T1100GC). EG provides their metrics for each here:
https://www.evergreen-fishing.com/news_ ... _gt_rs.php
Toray products here:
http://www.torayca.com/en/download/pdf/prepreg.pdf
With references to fishing rods here (this seems dated):
http://nanoalloy.toray/product/application/app_004.html

It seems that you can find references to NanoAlloy in quite a bit of fishing advertising, both in high dollar and budget rods. Sticking with the enthusiast level gear there are references to "NanoAlloy" in each of the following:
Shimano Ultima (1610BFS):
http://fishing.shimano.co.jp/product/rod/3533
Evergreen RS:
https://www.evergreen-fishing.com/news_ ... are_rs.php
Steez Racing Design (as Nano Plus!):
http://www.daiwa.com/jp/fishing/item/ro ... index.html
And both the Oltre and Efreet lines:
http://www.gamakatsu.co.jp/client/produ ... Code=24228
http://www.gamakatsu.co.jp/client/produ ... Code=24408

Then there seems to be a bunch of BS ad man lingo about the further tech which goes into the blanks ie (focusing more on the RD and Oltre line-ups):
Oltre "Techno Titanium Top"
Titanium type tip of solid type adopting β titanium. It became possible to install more delicate and high strength heads. At the same time, it realizes high sensitivity performance peculiar to metal materials.

Racing Design "SMT (Super Metal Top)" which adopts superelastic titanium alloy and realizes surprising sensitivity impossible with carbon material. It is a tubular (hollow) structure made of a super elastic titanium alloy that transmits vibrations for a long time, pursuing an ideal condition.

AND
Oltre "PCS (Power Cross System)"
By inserting high-strength carbon fiber in the direction of 45 ° in conventional direction from carbon biogenic direction, it strengthened the rigidity against twisting. By doing this, you can demonstrate the repulsive power and power of the entire rod without regret, and you can draw out the original potential of the rod nearly 100%.

Racing Design "X45"
Twist prevention is "45 °" optimal. Optimum structure for preventing twisting which revolutionizes power and operability. By winding DAIWA's unique bias cloth (such as carbon fiber skewed to ± 45 °) to the conventional structure (0 °, 90 ° to the rod tip), it prevents twisting, power, operability, sensitivity leap Improvement.

I'm going to make a leap here, and I will offer in advance that I have nothing to back this up with...
Focusing on what seemingly across all manufacturers is consistent in their advertising is the relationship to 45* weaving.
In the Toray product catalog for T1100G prepeg products there are 3 entries, and the two with "45" in product type have higher carbon count:
P17043G-10
P17045G-10
P17045G-12

From raw material to whatever processes the manufacturers use to create the end product, assuming I'm pulling from accurate Toray product pages... The raw material for a "T1100G" blank comes from 1 of 3 products. In looking at the carbon content and lack of "PCS" references in the efreet product page led me to believe that the efreet does not come from either P17045G-10 nor P17045G-12.

For terribly biased and unsubstantiated opinion I'd guess that the Steez RD is coming from the P17045G-10 and most other manufacturers are using the P17045G-12.

I read this a few times and I'm not clear on what you are saying. Are there certain rods that claim to use the higher end materials in their blanks, but some aren't really as good as others? Just trying to understand what you are saying so I can buy the rod thats using the best materials for the $ . Which of the rods you mentioned are you getting the most out of what you are paying for in your opinion.
thanks,
Dom

Really my post was about reading into the marketing hype in an attempt to find clues where the supposed differences are from manufacturer to manufacturer and line to line. I should have emphasized the comment that I’m interested in hearing how the efreet handles on the water because I don’t pick up any of my rods and think “wow this toray T1100G nanoalloy blank...”.
Without having handled either EG RS nor Steez RD rods I can’t comment. I am very happy with the Luxxe Oltre rods which I own, from performance on the water to fit and finish they suit how I fish very well.

Thanks for the explanation Drew. Knew you were getting at something but wasn’t sure what it was. I’m really interested in the Steez RD, luxxe, and EG rs sticks trying to figure out which will fit the way I fish the best. Probably just gonna buy them all to try sooner than later.
Thanks,
Dom

[bassm1n]

Not sure about all the technical stuff but I love mt 2 Oltre 70H models. Reel seat is really comfortable and the titanium tip adds sensitivity. They fish great. Would love one at 7'3 to 7'5 if they made one.

[bumpererx]

Would love one at 7'3 to 7'5 if they made one.

x10! Would love one or two

[rollyourboat]

Sorry but I'm gonna revive this thread again. How are the luxxe rods in general and/or compared to other rods? I'd be lying if i said i wasn't interested in them.

[bassm1n]

Awesome. My 2 B70H are my favorites work worms and jigs.

[bassm1n]

In my opinion the Evergreen RS's are not worth it. Sold mine.

[Polkfish1]

oltre 69 mh. It's certainly sensitive. I have to get a faster reel for it; lariat was only unoccupied reel I had to put on it for now. My fishing has changed since I've switched over to faster reels, so it felt kind of strange cranking like a madman. This may have colored my first impression. Like everyone has said; wicked sensitive. That titanium tip seems to add to the 'ting'. I can't say I feel that much more than other high end rods; but it's characteristic. When comparing it to some rods that I still consider good, but lower end, this is a rod that you can use to really illustrate differences in sensitivity to a non fisherman. It seems noticeable when bouncing baits on the bottom. Where I speculate it might add something practical is when you get that bite that simply feels different with some rods rather than a solid thunk. No confusing gar brushing up to my lure. Casts very accurately up 1.0 and I pushed it to about 1.5 oz with no issue. But I will stay in recommended range for regular use. So far, got bites on both moving and bottom bouncing baits and nothing unique to report yet. This one came in on the heals of a steez RD MH and I have to say the RD felt more uniquely natural in my hands when casting and fighting fish. Head to head, I was also gravitating to the RD, but I've had it longer. Can't put it into words, might be personal preference or might be the steez sv tv I had on the RD. In any case, I need a lot more time with it, but I can tell this one will work.

[Aquaftm45]

oltre 69 mh. It's certainly sensitive. I have to get a faster reel for it; lariat was only unoccupied reel I had to put on it for now. My fishing has changed since I've switched over to faster reels, so it felt kind of strange cranking like a madman. This may have colored my first impression. Like everyone has said; wicked sensitive. That titanium tip seems to add to the 'ting'. I can't say I feel that much more than other high end rods; but it's characteristic. When comparing it to some rods that I still consider good, but lower end, this is a rod that you can use to really illustrate differences in sensitivity to a non fisherman. It seems noticeable when bouncing baits on the bottom. Where I speculate it might add something practical is when you get that bite that simply feels different with some rods rather than a solid thunk. No confusing gar brushing up to my lure. Casts very accurately up 1.0 and I pushed it to about 1.5 oz with no issue. But I will stay in recommended range for regular use. So far, got bites on both moving and bottom bouncing baits and nothing unique to report yet. This one came in on the heals of a steez RD MH and I have to say the RD felt more uniquely natural in my hands when casting and fighting fish. Head to head, I was also gravitating to the RD, but I've had it longer. Can't put it into words, might be personal preference or might be the steez sv tv I had on the RD. In any case, I need a lot more time with it, but I can tell this one will work.

Congrats, it's a beauty!
With that said. I think you are going to be hard pressed to follow up a Steez RD with any other rod for bottom contact. (I don't even own one). I think the combo of a high modulus 1100G Blank and AGS guides is going to outclass a non 1100G blank with TI/TOR-TI-SIC guides.
It's like taking a lap on the track in a Buggati then following it up in a Porsche 911
Besides the TI tip ting you speak of, I think my Efreet (1100G) blank (tapping down the length) is more sensitive than my Oltre blank. I use the M Oltre for jerkbaits and I love it. Has Marylin Monroe looks to boot, especially with a Steez LTD 105 or the blacked out MB IS.
I hear what your saying about the feel and familiarity of a rod. I've come to feel that way about my EG RS.
Let me know if you ever want to sell...

[domthewon]

oltre 69 mh. It's certainly sensitive. I have to get a faster reel for it; lariat was only unoccupied reel I had to put on it for now. My fishing has changed since I've switched over to faster reels, so it felt kind of strange cranking like a madman. This may have colored my first impression. Like everyone has said; wicked sensitive. That titanium tip seems to add to the 'ting'. I can't say I feel that much more than other high end rods; but it's characteristic. When comparing it to some rods that I still consider good, but lower end, this is a rod that you can use to really illustrate differences in sensitivity to a non fisherman. It seems noticeable when bouncing baits on the bottom. Where I speculate it might add something practical is when you get that bite that simply feels different with some rods rather than a solid thunk. No confusing gar brushing up to my lure. Casts very accurately up 1.0 and I pushed it to about 1.5 oz with no issue. But I will stay in recommended range for regular use. So far, got bites on both moving and bottom bouncing baits and nothing unique to report yet. This one came in on the heals of a steez RD MH and I have to say the RD felt more uniquely natural in my hands when casting and fighting fish. Head to head, I was also gravitating to the RD, but I've had it longer. Can't put it into words, might be personal preference or might be the steez sv tv I had on the RD. In any case, I need a lot more time with it, but I can tell this one will work.

Congrats on the luxxe. That lariat looks sweet on it. I’d do a gear/ drag swap and keep it there if it was mine. I still haven’t pulled the trigger on one of these, but I want the b70 if I come across one. These rods seem to be getting harder to find. Glad you were able to compare it to the hustler. It’s very hard for me to put that rod down it has just enough of everything going for it. I have more sensitive rods, but not as well rounded. The luxxe oltre is very tempting though. Sounds pretty powerful for a 6’9 mH rod. Pretty cool. Enjoy!

[bassm1n]

Great purchase. Enjoy.