Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by RISE » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:01 am

domthewon wrote:
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I had to do it. Just got my 701MH/HXB-ST. Even though this is my 5th RD it's impressive. Definitely has some added sensitivity compared to the other 7' models and even compared to the 641 SMT although different feeling. It is slightly more clear than the others almost like they turned the bass down and added some treble which makes it easier to differentiate between types of substrate instead of being slightly muffled. The taper is awesome and similar to the Evergreen Rapid Gunner with slightly less power and a more of a Ferrari like feel rather than Rolls Royce, and I'm not just talking about color schemes. For those who have fished and love the MB X7 extreme mission like me. It's a shorter, similar taper with more balls, sensitivity, and a less fragile feeling. Definitely gonna be throwing tungsten on this bad boy and move the hustler technical tune to moving baits as it has the more versatile tip. Initially I was debating another of the EG Inspirare over this RD because they are also some of the best fishing rods period, but I really wanted to see what this rod was all about. In my head i was like how the hell is Daiwa gonna come out with another hustler in 2020, and have me go buy two 7' rods with with nearly the same specs except weight and taper? ](*,) . Well it ate at me and I had to know how it would fit in their line-up and stack-up to the rest and I took the "red pill" again. It definitely stacks up and fits in, but I just wish this came out when the other hustler was released. Of the two models I prefer the action of the Finesse version for bottom contact. It's faster than the Technical tune, and the added clarity to the sensitivity in my hands is noticeable with identical baits. The Technical tune is more of a vote for One rod challenge that can do everything pretty well including bottom contact techniques. This will be my 3/8 weight + plastic texas rig special although it can handle more, I have the RSR for those duties. I am gonna need more time, but I'm really happy with my choice, and would highly recommend any of these rods. A special shot out to Gary and the TT guys for working with me and getting it in my hands during these tough times Thank You.
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Here are a couple of pics of the taper of the 3 rods I mentioned. In doing this back to back I could feel that the tips on the Extreme mission and Hustler were more similar in feel and the extra power the RSR has. Also the RSR is slightly faster and has 12 guides including the tip compared to 11 on the other 2. These are not high stick hook sets FYI this is slightly out and away more natural.
Extreme mission
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Steez Hustler Finesse Tune
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Evergreen RSR Rapid Gunner
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Congrats on the new stick, Dom. So you are saying the 701MH/HXB-ST is more sensitive than the one piece blank of the RD 701MH/HFB ? That’s quite surprising as solid tip designs (aside from the Oltres which are different animals IMO) are usually less sensitive by nature (being its two pieces vs. one continuous blank) and are usually designed more for handling lighter weights/imparting action/allegedly helping to capitalize on light bites. The Oltres are different as they don’t sport that x-fast taper that most solid tip builds do. Of course...as manufacturers such as Designo, EG and others have started mastering solid tip builds, many of them sport that “dual taper” to alleviate stress at the junction between the two parts of the blank, and hence the slower taper of the Oltres due to the lack of any actual “soft” tip section, being that Ti tip is quite stout as you know, again making them a separate breed altogether...JMO. I had somewhat decided to pass on the RD ST as I love my Torque Tunes, EGs and other ST builds so much, but if you are saying it’s truly more sensitive than similar length and power one piece blanks, in the same class, I may have to re-visit that decision, and grab one. Color me surprised, to say the least.
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Thank you. In my opinion and hands yes the sensitivity on the Hustler finesse tune feels at least as clear as the Hustler tech tune if not better. I was only comparing it to others in the RD line up not other brands. I'm not sure if it's the solid tip feel, or the way the tip bounces with the bait as you drag/work it around with the X-fast/Fast tip, but something about it is very satisfying. I really like how it fits in with the rest of the line up of Racing Designs I own. It is so light and powerful for being 7' and 2 piece ST. I think its only 3.7 ounces or so. It's definitely the best suited RD model for lower to mid weighted Texas rigs and fun to fish. I know what you mean about the different ways companies put their solid tips on the rods and am learning the differences between how they act from brand to brand the more I get to fish them. Some are more dull feeling in the sensitivity department but really shine in visual bite detection and working the bottom topography of your lake. This rod has both features the sensitivity, and the tip in one. The closest rod that I have to compare is a Designo Leben C71MH+RST2S TT Kamiya tuned except it's one piece. The tips are similar on these models but the dual taper on the Designo is ever so slightly more moderate. The Designo Lebens are flat out some of the most sensitive rods I own or have ever fished. They are extremely clear and dragging tungsten on rocks is almost like the nails on a chalkboard in a good way, and no the RD's just aren't as sensitive, or are most rods from any other brand that I own. I still think it's an excellent rod and they fish comparably and i like the RD backbone a little better. Neither really fish like an Oltre or even the RD SMT. It feels like fishing the RSR with its solid backbone that just seems to shut down after that Xfast/Fast tip gets enough load on it. Except with a lighter thinner walled, slightly less powered, feel of the Hustler tech tunes blank. It also doesn't feel as cushioned on the loadup as the RSR which is one of the reasons I compared them as a Ferrari and Rolls Royce in my first review, although maybe Bently would be a closer car comparison. It's not a knock on either just a different feeling between blanks which I'm sure you get. I also believe the RSR is more sensitive than any of the RD's and just above my B70H, and is just below my Leben C71H+TT limited which in my opinion is a cattle prod. It's the most sensitive rod I own, and definitely more sensitive than the mh/h st mentioned above. It's 1 piece non ST. Which is why I get your confusion about how it can be more sensitive being 2 piece and solid tip compared to 1 piece design. All I can say is that's what impressed me about the Hustler finesse tune. It's a total package ST rod and every bit as sensitive as the hustler tech tune and might be slightly more sensitive than the jigga stick due to it being the heavier rod of the 3. If you like the feel of the racing designs and solid tip rods you will really like this rod. I really hate putting sensitivity comments out there just cause it's all my opinion and not fact but you know they feel to you so it will help you judge for yourself. Plus at this level all these rods sensitivity is just ridiculous and becomes more of what other factors do you prefer. I am not partial to any brand of rod, but only partial to the best rods each brand has to offer and this rod is one of them. Being you are probably one of the few people even in the TT universe that have had the privilege to fish many of the finest rods in the world, and own more than one ST, Oltre, RD, an RSR, and Leben you will be able to figure out if this is a rod for you.
I hope this helps brother.

I appreciate the clarification, Dom. Couldn’t agree more about the sensitivity at this level of rods and personal preferences. Almost splitting hairs these days. There really are just so many outstanding offerings out there. I’ve got so many rods backed up in line, waiting to be fished, yet I can’t stop buying, and now it looks like I’ll have to add the Finesse Tune based on the comments you and Polkfish have made. Still tough to justify when the EGs/RSR, Oltres, Designo Vantage Semi Order, Super Techna TZ, Designo Leggera Ltd, Fragment Jig Game, Torque Tunes and others are so damn good. But you know how it goes... 1 is too many, and 1000 is never enough.

Funny thing is when a rod shows up that you didn’t expect to be THAT impressive (due to price point or other factors), but ends up outperforming sticks that cost twice, sometimes 3 times as much.
Being that I am also NOT brand loyal, and always seeking to acquire the upper echelon of as many different/obscure rod offerings as possible, I fish/own other models from many manufacturers that would be considered “mid-upper level“ enthusiast rods (based on price alone) but are the top of the line from those companies. I have been blown away by some sticks along the way, especially the Fragment Factory Jig rod. Coming in at roughly 500.00, it’s power/taper are similar to the Jigga Stick (it’s meaty) but it is outstanding in the sensitivity department, which is quite a surprise. I honestly did not expect that. The 6’8” length, of course plays a role in this, but it just goes to show you, that there are plenty of amazing rods out there that won’t cost you 750-1k per stick. Another honorable mention has to go out to the Yamaga Blanks Acrobas. These were Yamaga’s Bass rods, costed half of what the RDs will set you back, and were (the Acrobas are discontinued) made completely in-house, in Japan, by Yamaga, who has been building their own blanks/rods since 2008. Their “Bottom Snipe” is another H-powered jig rod measuring in at 6’8” long, completely MIJ and and tuned in house. Not as “feather light” as some others out there but quality and performance match/surpass other rods that cost 2 times as much. Simply outstanding. There’s also the Tiemco JDM Fenwick Super Techna S-TAV610CMHP + J TZ thats a 900.00, “made in China” stick, but puts many MIJ rods to shame. So many others out there as well. Anyways, end of that rant. Sorry to hijack the thread and get off topic, Polkfish. Beautiful acquisitions you guys. Enjoy!

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by RISE » Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:25 am

domthewon wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:05 pm
Polkfish1 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:15 pm



All this talk of torque tunes is driving me crazy. I finally found a DLT-C71H+R2S I’ve been looking for. When I started my hunt, I had not realized these were discontinued. I’m always a day late...Anyway, I’m excited about seeing what these are all about. I’ve never fished a designo of any flavor. I’ve read so much about the special taper of the torque tunes and that was what I’ve been so excited about, but I did not realize they were also so exceptionally sensitive. Who knows how long it will be shipping under the current circumstances, but I’m in zero hurry at the moment. Will report back when I have some experience with it.
Very Cool! The whole torque tune thing was confusing at first and I didn’t know what I was buying or what I was going to use it for til I got it. it’s a pretty powerful rod rated 3/8-4oz. I’ve never loaded up over an ounce on it to be honest, but it is able to cast great but give you the power you need at any moment. it’s a real progressive taper, but doesn’t wimp out on hook sets. It’s very light weight and the blank is simple matte black in design. It’s super versatile also. I’ve thrown Texas, jigs, chatter, top water, blades, cranks, and others. I thought long and hard recently if I had to give up all my rods except for 3. It would be one of the few i will keep. It’s a personal favorite of mine and like I mentioned before most likely my most sensitive rod. I don’t want to get your hopes up and disappoint you when you get yours. I’ve been real quiet about this rod for a while until now. I’m not sure what the difference between the limited and regular models is besides the purple accents, but the limited is for sure tuned by Kamaiya. I hope you’re experiences are close to mine because I don’t think you will be disappointed. I just got a grand stallion the other day to complete my stallion GT trilogy and shipping was pretty much the same as usual through fedex. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it even if they aren’t the same. Exciting bro.

Yep, the Designo tapers were not well defined anywhere for some time. There was just a tiny bit of info available. Through lots of digging and limited communication with Yuki Kamiya, much has been clarified in terms of models, tapers, and power. I understand quite a bit now, thankfully. It was definitely overwhelming at first. Their site is under construction, and should hopefully be finished soon. That should paint a clear pic for everyone in terms of the number/taper/power/series identification issues. I also just acquired a couple more to add to the lineup and I’m VERY excited to get one, in particular, in hand. A very limited 10th Anniversary build. There are quite a few models “Tuned by Kamiya”, but many of the limited models are different in several ways, both aesthetically and performance-wise. Different levels of blanks are incorporated into the limited models (and different series, of course) and there is a “semi-order” program for custom options/user selectable builds. I was lucky enough to acquire one of these rods as well. The semi-order Vantage DV7 C71HRS4 Avant along with the Leggera DL7 C611HRS4 Performance are amongst my favorites that I own, and truly are incredible sticks. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t love all of them to some degree. The Lebens/TTs really are also outstanding rods. Something else I dig is that the two I mentioned are dubbed “Built By Kamiya” vs “Tuned By Kamiya”.
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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by hungry_cow » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:26 am

RISE wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:01 am
The closest rod that I have to compare is a Designo Leben C71MH+RST2S TT Kamiya tuned except it's one piece. The tips are similar on these models but the dual taper on the Designo is ever so slightly more moderate. The Designo Lebens are flat out some of the most sensitive rods I own or have ever fished. They are extremely clear and dragging tungsten on rocks is almost like the nails on a chalkboard in a good way, and no the RD's just aren't as sensitive, or are most rods from any other brand that I own.
Well as a total spur of the moment unplanned impulse buy after reading this post I saw this rod on Japan Auction and pulled the trigger! Wanted something a tad shorter than my Javelin & Nautilus for a worm & jig rod to make skipping easier and maybe gain a bit of sensitivity though those are more than good enough. Love they way this rod looks and like that it will match perfectly with any reel. I know my TKDC Stingray may be my most sensitive rod and I use for finesse bottom contact so hoping to get a similar fun factor with 3/8 to 1/2 oz jigs and texas rigs!

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by hungry_cow » Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:34 am

I checked and it says Built by Designo on the blank and on the but it says Disigno Ultimate Custom Tuned by Kamiya if you can tell me what all that means. Is this strictly a jig/worm rod or does it have a moderate enough taper I can use it as an all around stick with single hook moving baits as well? I was planning on getting the TKLC Black Raven as my next rod but don't really like rods that short so grabbed this one instead on an impluse buy after reading the thread.

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by Polkfish1 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:49 am

domthewon wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:05 pm
Polkfish1 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:15 pm



All this talk of torque tunes is driving me crazy. I finally found a DLT-C71H+R2S I’ve been looking for. When I started my hunt, I had not realized these were discontinued. I’m always a day late...Anyway, I’m excited about seeing what these are all about. I’ve never fished a designo of any flavor. I’ve read so much about the special taper of the torque tunes and that was what I’ve been so excited about, but I did not realize they were also so exceptionally sensitive. Who knows how long it will be shipping under the current circumstances, but I’m in zero hurry at the moment. Will report back when I have some experience with it.
Very Cool! The whole torque tune thing was confusing at first and I didn’t know what I was buying or what I was going to use it for til I got it. it’s a pretty powerful rod rated 3/8-4oz. I’ve never loaded up over an ounce on it to be honest, but it is able to cast great but give you the power you need at any moment. it’s a real progressive taper, but doesn’t wimp out on hook sets. It’s very light weight and the blank is simple matte black in design. It’s super versatile also. I’ve thrown Texas, jigs, chatter, top water, blades, cranks, and others. I thought long and hard recently if I had to give up all my rods except for 3. It would be one of the few i will keep. It’s a personal favorite of mine and like I mentioned before most likely my most sensitive rod. I don’t want to get your hopes up and disappoint you when you get yours. I’ve been real quiet about this rod for a while until now. I’m not sure what the difference between the limited and regular models is besides the purple accents, but the limited is for sure tuned by Kamaiya. I hope you’re experiences are close to mine because I don’t think you will be disappointed. I just got a grand stallion the other day to complete my stallion GT trilogy and shipping was pretty much the same as usual through fedex. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it even if they aren’t the same. Exciting bro.
I was able to find a black one. The one you have with the purple highlights is the only one I've ever seen built like that. However, the black one I found was labelled as tuned by Mr. K on the blank and butt end in the pictures. I think I was lucky to find one from any of the production runs at this point. From the little online tidbits I've been piecing together, my understanding is that designo became overwhelmed with orders based on their current staffing and infrastructure capabilities. So, changes were made, but I'm not exactly sure what those were. I read about a 'trip to China' along there somewhere and that semi-orders were being accepted only from current users. So, I'm not sure if they are trying to find manufacturing capabilities for large scale production of future models overseas and/or if you have to be an existing customer to submit an new order for a current build where Mr. K has a hand in it. In any case, I'm pretty stoked about getting the one I found. Versatility is what I was searching for in this one and it seems to be the resounding characteristic everyone brings up about this rod. Thanks for the posts you have made about these rods. It's the users that make this site so cool and keep teaching me so much.

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by RISE » Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:59 am

hungry_cow wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:34 am
I checked and it says Built by Designo on the blank and on the but it says Disigno Ultimate Custom Tuned by Kamiya if you can tell me what all that means. Is this strictly a jig/worm rod or does it have a moderate enough taper I can use it as an all around stick with single hook moving baits as well? I was planning on getting the TKLC Black Raven as my next rod but don't really like rods that short so grabbed this one instead on an impluse buy after reading the thread.
Congrats! This is the solid tip version of this model,designated by the “ST” within the model number, and it will be a more versatile stick that will handle bottom contact duties very well. Seeing that you use your Nautilus for BC duties, this rod should be comfy for you, taper-wise. It utilizes that “dual taper”. Upon first inspection, it has that truly fast taper, but under load, it’ll bend deeper into the backbone. Outstanding rod. Now, by the wording on the blank, it sounds like you may have gotten one of the 1st gen builds. Does it have a different color on the blank down near the handle? If so, that one of the early builds from Designo. Outstanding rods regardless.

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by RISE » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:33 am

Polkfish1 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:49 am
domthewon wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:05 pm
Polkfish1 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:15 pm



All this talk of torque tunes is driving me crazy. I finally found a DLT-C71H+R2S I’ve been looking for. When I started my hunt, I had not realized these were discontinued. I’m always a day late...Anyway, I’m excited about seeing what these are all about. I’ve never fished a designo of any flavor. I’ve read so much about the special taper of the torque tunes and that was what I’ve been so excited about, but I did not realize they were also so exceptionally sensitive. Who knows how long it will be shipping under the current circumstances, but I’m in zero hurry at the moment. Will report back when I have some experience with it.
Very Cool! The whole torque tune thing was confusing at first and I didn’t know what I was buying or what I was going to use it for til I got it. it’s a pretty powerful rod rated 3/8-4oz. I’ve never loaded up over an ounce on it to be honest, but it is able to cast great but give you the power you need at any moment. it’s a real progressive taper, but doesn’t wimp out on hook sets. It’s very light weight and the blank is simple matte black in design. It’s super versatile also. I’ve thrown Texas, jigs, chatter, top water, blades, cranks, and others. I thought long and hard recently if I had to give up all my rods except for 3. It would be one of the few i will keep. It’s a personal favorite of mine and like I mentioned before most likely my most sensitive rod. I don’t want to get your hopes up and disappoint you when you get yours. I’ve been real quiet about this rod for a while until now. I’m not sure what the difference between the limited and regular models is besides the purple accents, but the limited is for sure tuned by Kamaiya. I hope you’re experiences are close to mine because I don’t think you will be disappointed. I just got a grand stallion the other day to complete my stallion GT trilogy and shipping was pretty much the same as usual through fedex. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it even if they aren’t the same. Exciting bro.
I was able to find a black one. The one you have with the purple highlights is the only one I've ever seen built like that. However, the black one I found was labelled as tuned by Mr. K on the blank and butt end in the pictures. I think I was lucky to find one from any of the production runs at this point. From the little online tidbits I've been piecing together, my understanding is that designo became overwhelmed with orders based on their current staffing and infrastructure capabilities. So, changes were made, but I'm not exactly sure what those were. I read about a 'trip to China' along there somewhere and that semi-orders were being accepted only from current users. So, I'm not sure if they are trying to find manufacturing capabilities for large scale production of future models overseas and/or if you have to be an existing customer to submit an new order for a current build where Mr. K has a hand in it. In any case, I'm pretty stoked about getting the one I found. Versatility is what I was searching for in this one and it seems to be the resounding characteristic everyone brings up about this rod. Thanks for the posts you have made about these rods. It's the users that make this site so cool and keep teaching me so much.

👍🏼👍🏼 Right on. Enjoy the new stick!

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by Polkfish1 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:39 am

RISE wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:33 am
Polkfish1 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:49 am
domthewon wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:05 pm
Polkfish1 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:15 pm



All this talk of torque tunes is driving me crazy. I finally found a DLT-C71H+R2S I’ve been looking for. When I started my hunt, I had not realized these were discontinued. I’m always a day late...Anyway, I’m excited about seeing what these are all about. I’ve never fished a designo of any flavor. I’ve read so much about the special taper of the torque tunes and that was what I’ve been so excited about, but I did not realize they were also so exceptionally sensitive. Who knows how long it will be shipping under the current circumstances, but I’m in zero hurry at the moment. Will report back when I have some experience with it.
Very Cool! The whole torque tune thing was confusing at first and I didn’t know what I was buying or what I was going to use it for til I got it. it’s a pretty powerful rod rated 3/8-4oz. I’ve never loaded up over an ounce on it to be honest, but it is able to cast great but give you the power you need at any moment. it’s a real progressive taper, but doesn’t wimp out on hook sets. It’s very light weight and the blank is simple matte black in design. It’s super versatile also. I’ve thrown Texas, jigs, chatter, top water, blades, cranks, and others. I thought long and hard recently if I had to give up all my rods except for 3. It would be one of the few i will keep. It’s a personal favorite of mine and like I mentioned before most likely my most sensitive rod. I don’t want to get your hopes up and disappoint you when you get yours. I’ve been real quiet about this rod for a while until now. I’m not sure what the difference between the limited and regular models is besides the purple accents, but the limited is for sure tuned by Kamaiya. I hope you’re experiences are close to mine because I don’t think you will be disappointed. I just got a grand stallion the other day to complete my stallion GT trilogy and shipping was pretty much the same as usual through fedex. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it even if they aren’t the same. Exciting bro.
I was able to find a black one. The one you have with the purple highlights is the only one I've ever seen built like that. However, the black one I found was labelled as tuned by Mr. K on the blank and butt end in the pictures. I think I was lucky to find one from any of the production runs at this point. From the little online tidbits I've been piecing together, my understanding is that designo became overwhelmed with orders based on their current staffing and infrastructure capabilities. So, changes were made, but I'm not exactly sure what those were. I read about a 'trip to China' along there somewhere and that semi-orders were being accepted only from current users. So, I'm not sure if they are trying to find manufacturing capabilities for large scale production of future models overseas and/or if you have to be an existing customer to submit an new order for a current build where Mr. K has a hand in it. In any case, I'm pretty stoked about getting the one I found. Versatility is what I was searching for in this one and it seems to be the resounding characteristic everyone brings up about this rod. Thanks for the posts you have made about these rods. It's the users that make this site so cool and keep teaching me so much.

👍🏼👍🏼 Right on. Enjoy the new stick!
Thanks man. Love it when you post some knowledgeable on here. You and Dom are a wealth of info.

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by RISE » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:22 pm

Polkfish1 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:49 am
domthewon wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:05 pm
Polkfish1 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:15 pm



All this talk of torque tunes is driving me crazy. I finally found a DLT-C71H+R2S I’ve been looking for. When I started my hunt, I had not realized these were discontinued. I’m always a day late...Anyway, I’m excited about seeing what these are all about. I’ve never fished a designo of any flavor. I’ve read so much about the special taper of the torque tunes and that was what I’ve been so excited about, but I did not realize they were also so exceptionally sensitive. Who knows how long it will be shipping under the current circumstances, but I’m in zero hurry at the moment. Will report back when I have some experience with it.
Very Cool! The whole torque tune thing was confusing at first and I didn’t know what I was buying or what I was going to use it for til I got it. it’s a pretty powerful rod rated 3/8-4oz. I’ve never loaded up over an ounce on it to be honest, but it is able to cast great but give you the power you need at any moment. it’s a real progressive taper, but doesn’t wimp out on hook sets. It’s very light weight and the blank is simple matte black in design. It’s super versatile also. I’ve thrown Texas, jigs, chatter, top water, blades, cranks, and others. I thought long and hard recently if I had to give up all my rods except for 3. It would be one of the few i will keep. It’s a personal favorite of mine and like I mentioned before most likely my most sensitive rod. I don’t want to get your hopes up and disappoint you when you get yours. I’ve been real quiet about this rod for a while until now. I’m not sure what the difference between the limited and regular models is besides the purple accents, but the limited is for sure tuned by Kamaiya. I hope you’re experiences are close to mine because I don’t think you will be disappointed. I just got a grand stallion the other day to complete my stallion GT trilogy and shipping was pretty much the same as usual through fedex. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it even if they aren’t the same. Exciting bro.
I was able to find a black one. The one you have with the purple highlights is the only one I've ever seen built like that. However, the black one I found was labelled as tuned by Mr. K on the blank and butt end in the pictures. I think I was lucky to find one from any of the production runs at this point. From the little online tidbits I've been piecing together, my understanding is that designo became overwhelmed with orders based on their current staffing and infrastructure capabilities. So, changes were made, but I'm not exactly sure what those were. I read about a 'trip to China' along there somewhere and that semi-orders were being accepted only from current users. So, I'm not sure if they are trying to find manufacturing capabilities for large scale production of future models overseas and/or if you have to be an existing customer to submit an new order for a current build where Mr. K has a hand in it. In any case, I'm pretty stoked about getting the one I found. Versatility is what I was searching for in this one and it seems to be the resounding characteristic everyone brings up about this rod. Thanks for the posts you have made about these rods. It's the users that make this site so cool and keep teaching me so much.
Great grab. 👍🏼👍🏼

The semi orders were/are available with different color trim, fore nut, grip, rear grip, seat, blank and other options. As an example, I grabbed one with the Vantage DV7 HRS4 7’1” “Avant” blank, 3/8-2oz lure ratings, deep gold accents, multi axis cross weave fore nut and rear grip section with cork main grip and EVA rear/butt end. This was purchased to match up with a 19 Morethan, 90mm Ize Factory CF handle and some OG corks. The color options are both factory implemented (depending on the builds) and left as an option for custom orders. I’ve seen blue trim, black trim, purple, gold, gunmetal, and red. Note...Designo builds rods and supplies blanks for lots of other companies, (Unlimited Rods, Killer Heat, EG, etc.) and their reputation has gotten strong over the past 10 years. Demand has gone way up as a result. I could be wrong, but this seems to be the reason for needing to expand their operations, from what I’m understanding. I’m happy to see any company grow, but honestly, I always worry a bit about quality taking a hit as a result of growing too fast. Producing small numbers means it’s much easier to maintain a very high level of quality control. When you get big...it becomes a bit more complicated. Would hate to see this happen here.
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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by RISE » Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:24 pm

Polkfish1 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:39 am
RISE wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:33 am
Polkfish1 wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:49 am
domthewon wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:05 pm
Polkfish1 wrote:
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:15 pm



All this talk of torque tunes is driving me crazy. I finally found a DLT-C71H+R2S I’ve been looking for. When I started my hunt, I had not realized these were discontinued. I’m always a day late...Anyway, I’m excited about seeing what these are all about. I’ve never fished a designo of any flavor. I’ve read so much about the special taper of the torque tunes and that was what I’ve been so excited about, but I did not realize they were also so exceptionally sensitive. Who knows how long it will be shipping under the current circumstances, but I’m in zero hurry at the moment. Will report back when I have some experience with it.
Very Cool! The whole torque tune thing was confusing at first and I didn’t know what I was buying or what I was going to use it for til I got it. it’s a pretty powerful rod rated 3/8-4oz. I’ve never loaded up over an ounce on it to be honest, but it is able to cast great but give you the power you need at any moment. it’s a real progressive taper, but doesn’t wimp out on hook sets. It’s very light weight and the blank is simple matte black in design. It’s super versatile also. I’ve thrown Texas, jigs, chatter, top water, blades, cranks, and others. I thought long and hard recently if I had to give up all my rods except for 3. It would be one of the few i will keep. It’s a personal favorite of mine and like I mentioned before most likely my most sensitive rod. I don’t want to get your hopes up and disappoint you when you get yours. I’ve been real quiet about this rod for a while until now. I’m not sure what the difference between the limited and regular models is besides the purple accents, but the limited is for sure tuned by Kamaiya. I hope you’re experiences are close to mine because I don’t think you will be disappointed. I just got a grand stallion the other day to complete my stallion GT trilogy and shipping was pretty much the same as usual through fedex. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on it even if they aren’t the same. Exciting bro.
I was able to find a black one. The one you have with the purple highlights is the only one I've ever seen built like that. However, the black one I found was labelled as tuned by Mr. K on the blank and butt end in the pictures. I think I was lucky to find one from any of the production runs at this point. From the little online tidbits I've been piecing together, my understanding is that designo became overwhelmed with orders based on their current staffing and infrastructure capabilities. So, changes were made, but I'm not exactly sure what those were. I read about a 'trip to China' along there somewhere and that semi-orders were being accepted only from current users. So, I'm not sure if they are trying to find manufacturing capabilities for large scale production of future models overseas and/or if you have to be an existing customer to submit an new order for a current build where Mr. K has a hand in it. In any case, I'm pretty stoked about getting the one I found. Versatility is what I was searching for in this one and it seems to be the resounding characteristic everyone brings up about this rod. Thanks for the posts you have made about these rods. It's the users that make this site so cool and keep teaching me so much.

👍🏼👍🏼 Right on. Enjoy the new stick!
Thanks man. Love it when you post some knowledgeable on here. You and Dom are a wealth of info.
I’m just sharing some love for JDM goodness. Happy if I can help someone along the way. 🤘🏼

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by Chode » Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:37 pm

Might be a dumb question since I'm pretty new to jdm stuff but do these sites like jdm heaven ever offer discounts similar to tacklewarehouse like 15-20% off? If so around when? Thx

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by kyty » Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:38 am

Almost everyday they have stuff 20% off if you click on the link on the webpage.

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by Chode » Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:17 am

kyty wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:38 am
Almost everyday they have stuff 20% off if you click on the link on the webpage.
yea I saw that but meant stuff for the entire site kinda like black Friday. wondering if they run those kinds of deals during Christmas, new years etc

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by kyty » Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:18 pm

Never saw that so I don't know

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Re: Steez Racing Design 701MH / HXB-ST

Post by domthewon » Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:01 pm

RISE wrote:
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:01 am
domthewon wrote:
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I had to do it. Just got my 701MH/HXB-ST. Even though this is my 5th RD it's impressive. Definitely has some added sensitivity compared to the other 7' models and even compared to the 641 SMT although different feeling. It is slightly more clear than the others almost like they turned the bass down and added some treble which makes it easier to differentiate between types of substrate instead of being slightly muffled. The taper is awesome and similar to the Evergreen Rapid Gunner with slightly less power and a more of a Ferrari like feel rather than Rolls Royce, and I'm not just talking about color schemes. For those who have fished and love the MB X7 extreme mission like me. It's a shorter, similar taper with more balls, sensitivity, and a less fragile feeling. Definitely gonna be throwing tungsten on this bad boy and move the hustler technical tune to moving baits as it has the more versatile tip. Initially I was debating another of the EG Inspirare over this RD because they are also some of the best fishing rods period, but I really wanted to see what this rod was all about. In my head i was like how the hell is Daiwa gonna come out with another hustler in 2020, and have me go buy two 7' rods with with nearly the same specs except weight and taper? ](*,) . Well it ate at me and I had to know how it would fit in their line-up and stack-up to the rest and I took the "red pill" again. It definitely stacks up and fits in, but I just wish this came out when the other hustler was released. Of the two models I prefer the action of the Finesse version for bottom contact. It's faster than the Technical tune, and the added clarity to the sensitivity in my hands is noticeable with identical baits. The Technical tune is more of a vote for One rod challenge that can do everything pretty well including bottom contact techniques. This will be my 3/8 weight + plastic texas rig special although it can handle more, I have the RSR for those duties. I am gonna need more time, but I'm really happy with my choice, and would highly recommend any of these rods. A special shot out to Gary and the TT guys for working with me and getting it in my hands during these tough times Thank You.
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Here are a couple of pics of the taper of the 3 rods I mentioned. In doing this back to back I could feel that the tips on the Extreme mission and Hustler were more similar in feel and the extra power the RSR has. Also the RSR is slightly faster and has 12 guides including the tip compared to 11 on the other 2. These are not high stick hook sets FYI this is slightly out and away more natural.
Extreme mission
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Steez Hustler Finesse Tune
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Evergreen RSR Rapid Gunner
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Congrats on the new stick, Dom. So you are saying the 701MH/HXB-ST is more sensitive than the one piece blank of the RD 701MH/HFB ? That’s quite surprising as solid tip designs (aside from the Oltres which are different animals IMO) are usually less sensitive by nature (being its two pieces vs. one continuous blank) and are usually designed more for handling lighter weights/imparting action/allegedly helping to capitalize on light bites. The Oltres are different as they don’t sport that x-fast taper that most solid tip builds do. Of course...as manufacturers such as Designo, EG and others have started mastering solid tip builds, many of them sport that “dual taper” to alleviate stress at the junction between the two parts of the blank, and hence the slower taper of the Oltres due to the lack of any actual “soft” tip section, being that Ti tip is quite stout as you know, again making them a separate breed altogether...JMO. I had somewhat decided to pass on the RD ST as I love my Torque Tunes, EGs and other ST builds so much, but if you are saying it’s truly more sensitive than similar length and power one piece blanks, in the same class, I may have to re-visit that decision, and grab one. Color me surprised, to say the least.
RISE,
Thank you. In my opinion and hands yes the sensitivity on the Hustler finesse tune feels at least as clear as the Hustler tech tune if not better. I was only comparing it to others in the RD line up not other brands. I'm not sure if it's the solid tip feel, or the way the tip bounces with the bait as you drag/work it around with the X-fast/Fast tip, but something about it is very satisfying. I really like how it fits in with the rest of the line up of Racing Designs I own. It is so light and powerful for being 7' and 2 piece ST. I think its only 3.7 ounces or so. It's definitely the best suited RD model for lower to mid weighted Texas rigs and fun to fish. I know what you mean about the different ways companies put their solid tips on the rods and am learning the differences between how they act from brand to brand the more I get to fish them. Some are more dull feeling in the sensitivity department but really shine in visual bite detection and working the bottom topography of your lake. This rod has both features the sensitivity, and the tip in one. The closest rod that I have to compare is a Designo Leben C71MH+RST2S TT Kamiya tuned except it's one piece. The tips are similar on these models but the dual taper on the Designo is ever so slightly more moderate. The Designo Lebens are flat out some of the most sensitive rods I own or have ever fished. They are extremely clear and dragging tungsten on rocks is almost like the nails on a chalkboard in a good way, and no the RD's just aren't as sensitive, or are most rods from any other brand that I own. I still think it's an excellent rod and they fish comparably and i like the RD backbone a little better. Neither really fish like an Oltre or even the RD SMT. It feels like fishing the RSR with its solid backbone that just seems to shut down after that Xfast/Fast tip gets enough load on it. Except with a lighter thinner walled, slightly less powered, feel of the Hustler tech tunes blank. It also doesn't feel as cushioned on the loadup as the RSR which is one of the reasons I compared them as a Ferrari and Rolls Royce in my first review, although maybe Bently would be a closer car comparison. It's not a knock on either just a different feeling between blanks which I'm sure you get. I also believe the RSR is more sensitive than any of the RD's and just above my B70H, and is just below my Leben C71H+TT limited which in my opinion is a cattle prod. It's the most sensitive rod I own, and definitely more sensitive than the mh/h st mentioned above. It's 1 piece non ST. Which is why I get your confusion about how it can be more sensitive being 2 piece and solid tip compared to 1 piece design. All I can say is that's what impressed me about the Hustler finesse tune. It's a total package ST rod and every bit as sensitive as the hustler tech tune and might be slightly more sensitive than the jigga stick due to it being the heavier rod of the 3. If you like the feel of the racing designs and solid tip rods you will really like this rod. I really hate putting sensitivity comments out there just cause it's all my opinion and not fact but you know they feel to you so it will help you judge for yourself. Plus at this level all these rods sensitivity is just ridiculous and becomes more of what other factors do you prefer. I am not partial to any brand of rod, but only partial to the best rods each brand has to offer and this rod is one of them. Being you are probably one of the few people even in the TT universe that have had the privilege to fish many of the finest rods in the world, and own more than one ST, Oltre, RD, an RSR, and Leben you will be able to figure out if this is a rod for you.
I hope this helps brother.

I appreciate the clarification, Dom. Couldn’t agree more about the sensitivity at this level of rods and personal preferences. Almost splitting hairs these days. There really are just so many outstanding offerings out there. I’ve got so many rods backed up in line, waiting to be fished, yet I can’t stop buying, and now it looks like I’ll have to add the Finesse Tune based on the comments you and Polkfish have made. Still tough to justify when the EGs/RSR, Oltres, Designo Vantage Semi Order, Super Techna TZ, Designo Leggera Ltd, Fragment Jig Game, Torque Tunes and others are so damn good. But you know how it goes... 1 is too many, and 1000 is never enough.

Funny thing is when a rod shows up that you didn’t expect to be THAT impressive (due to price point or other factors), but ends up outperforming sticks that cost twice, sometimes 3 times as much.
Being that I am also NOT brand loyal, and always seeking to acquire the upper echelon of as many different/obscure rod offerings as possible, I fish/own other models from many manufacturers that would be considered “mid-upper level“ enthusiast rods (based on price alone) but are the top of the line from those companies. I have been blown away by some sticks along the way, especially the Fragment Factory Jig rod. Coming in at roughly 500.00, it’s power/taper are similar to the Jigga Stick (it’s meaty) but it is outstanding in the sensitivity department, which is quite a surprise. I honestly did not expect that. The 6’8” length, of course plays a role in this, but it just goes to show you, that there are plenty of amazing rods out there that won’t cost you 750-1k per stick. Another honorable mention has to go out to the Yamaga Blanks Acrobas. These were Yamaga’s Bass rods, costed half of what the RDs will set you back, and were (the Acrobas are discontinued) made completely in-house, in Japan, by Yamaga, who has been building their own blanks/rods since 2008. Their “Bottom Snipe” is another H-powered jig rod measuring in at 6’8” long, completely MIJ and and tuned in house. Not as “feather light” as some others out there but quality and performance match/surpass other rods that cost 2 times as much. Simply outstanding. There’s also the Tiemco JDM Fenwick Super Techna S-TAV610CMHP + J TZ thats a 900.00, “made in China” stick, but puts many MIJ rods to shame. So many others out there as well. Anyways, end of that rant. Sorry to hijack the thread and get off topic, Polkfish. Beautiful acquisitions you guys. Enjoy!
Rise, To be honest I never really considered the price point of the Hustler Finesse Tune when comparing to the other rods I listed. You are right it is one of the most expensive rods out there. I was just comparing it to the other top offerings I actually own from those companies, and how they perform. I'm a junkie for rods with T1100G blanks, and they have been my main target for the most part for a little while now. Also I've been sticking to more of the bigger companies because I'm still building my 1100G collection, most are very reputable, and I have an idea of what to expect from their builds. That being said I've already cherry picked most of my desired rods from their lineups. Now I will be able to check out some of the more obscure rods like some that you have mentioned. I totally agree it's hard to justify buying due to price compared to some of those other rods when sensitivity among the upper echelon really is like splitting hairs. I have fished the Hustler F.T. twice since I wrote the response to you. I have between 9-11 hours on the water with just that rod in my hands now, and much more with the rest of the RD's. I guess having a ST rod built with T1100G that is pretty well balanced, 7 foot, MH/H powered, a slightly more rigid backbone than my Designo of similar specs, and all in a 3.6oz package really appeals to me. Texas rigs are my favorite and most used technique and i have many overlapping rods for it. Also I was not expecting this model at all from Daiwa in the RD line, and was expecting the ST to feel more dull than it does. Plus I personally just like how the other RD's fish. To me the price is worth it, but if I owned some of those masterpieces you own and the shear number of rods of that caliber it would be hard to say. I guess you would just have to consider how much you actually like fishing your other RD rods compared to your other rods, and factor in the solid tip. When you post here I never consider the thread hijacked. It's always a great learning experience for me, and now have some things that I should consider when purchasing and even reviewing rods. I also appreciate you throwing those other random rods you mentioned up there hopefully it will breathe some new life into this enthusiast section and we will get some great reviews from some of the other members on a few of them in the near future. Being one of the few to write random reviews in this section on new equipment that costs as much as it does can be tough for me. Not many people are willing to step up and be one of the first to go out and buy a $1000 rod in the first place. Secondly I never want to steer someone into making a purchase on something that they may, or may not like as much as I do. That they may regret, or feel like they spent too much of their hard earned money on when they could have gotten something of similar performance at half the cost. Especially when there are so many great rods out there if you are willing to make that leap. The thing is I'm fortunate to own the number and variety of rods that I do, and am happy I can make some of these comparisons while others can't, won't, or don't. Believe me if I knew of some of the other rods you listed even existed, and how they stack up they would definitely be getting a shot from me over some of the more expensive options. Unfortunately the info isn't always out there when you're looking. In the end I buy what I like and want. I work hard for my money, and want to get the most bang for my buck just like the rest. In many instances it's difficult finding info without just buying one for yourself. I just hope more members with this awesome stuff will step up and speak out. This site needs more member contributions all around especially in the enthusiast realm from people with higher level gear. We are some of the few people in the world who actually care to own this equipment and talk about it. The Tackle Tour name is synonymous with enthusiast equipment in comparison to any other fishing forum i frequent. I appreciate everyones thoughts, knowledge, time, and opinion which is why I choose to contribute what I can here, and give back like some of the others who have taught, and revealed this amazing gear to me over the years such as yourself. I always appreciate your input, and giving me more rods to look into. Thanks man!

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