domthewon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:27 pmRISE,RISE wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:26 pmCongrats on the new stick, Dom. So you are saying the 701MH/HXB-ST is more sensitive than the one piece blank of the RD 701MH/HFB ? That’s quite surprising as solid tip designs (aside from the Oltres which are different animals IMO) are usually less sensitive by nature (being its two pieces vs. one continuous blank) and are usually designed more for handling lighter weights/imparting action/allegedly helping to capitalize on light bites. The Oltres are different as they don’t sport that x-fast taper that most solid tip builds do. Of course...as manufacturers such as Designo, EG and others have started mastering solid tip builds, many of them sport that “dual taper” to alleviate stress at the junction between the two parts of the blank, and hence the slower taper of the Oltres due to the lack of any actual “soft” tip section, being that Ti tip is quite stout as you know, again making them a separate breed altogether...JMO. I had somewhat decided to pass on the RD ST as I love my Torque Tunes, EGs and other ST builds so much, but if you are saying it’s truly more sensitive than similar length and power one piece blanks, in the same class, I may have to re-visit that decision, and grab one. Color me surprised, to say the least.domthewon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:03 pmI had to do it. Just got my 701MH/HXB-ST. Even though this is my 5th RD it's impressive. Definitely has some added sensitivity compared to the other 7' models and even compared to the 641 SMT although different feeling. It is slightly more clear than the others almost like they turned the bass down and added some treble which makes it easier to differentiate between types of substrate instead of being slightly muffled. The taper is awesome and similar to the Evergreen Rapid Gunner with slightly less power and a more of a Ferrari like feel rather than Rolls Royce, and I'm not just talking about color schemes. For those who have fished and love the MB X7 extreme mission like me. It's a shorter, similar taper with more balls, sensitivity, and a less fragile feeling. Definitely gonna be throwing tungsten on this bad boy and move the hustler technical tune to moving baits as it has the more versatile tip. Initially I was debating another of the EG Inspirare over this RD because they are also some of the best fishing rods period, but I really wanted to see what this rod was all about. In my head i was like how the hell is Daiwa gonna come out with another hustler in 2020, and have me go buy two 7' rods with with nearly the same specs except weight and taper? . Well it ate at me and I had to know how it would fit in their line-up and stack-up to the rest and I took the "red pill" again. It definitely stacks up and fits in, but I just wish this came out when the other hustler was released. Of the two models I prefer the action of the Finesse version for bottom contact. It's faster than the Technical tune, and the added clarity to the sensitivity in my hands is noticeable with identical baits. The Technical tune is more of a vote for One rod challenge that can do everything pretty well including bottom contact techniques. This will be my 3/8 weight + plastic texas rig special although it can handle more, I have the RSR for those duties. I am gonna need more time, but I'm really happy with my choice, and would highly recommend any of these rods. A special shot out to Gary and the TT guys for working with me and getting it in my hands during these tough times Thank You.
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Here are a couple of pics of the taper of the 3 rods I mentioned. In doing this back to back I could feel that the tips on the Extreme mission and Hustler were more similar in feel and the extra power the RSR has. Also the RSR is slightly faster and has 12 guides including the tip compared to 11 on the other 2. These are not high stick hook sets FYI this is slightly out and away more natural.
Extreme mission
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Steez Hustler Finesse Tune
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Evergreen RSR Rapid Gunner
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Thank you. In my opinion and hands yes the sensitivity on the Hustler finesse tune feels at least as clear as the Hustler tech tune if not better. I was only comparing it to others in the RD line up not other brands. I'm not sure if it's the solid tip feel, or the way the tip bounces with the bait as you drag/work it around with the X-fast/Fast tip, but something about it is very satisfying. I really like how it fits in with the rest of the line up of Racing Designs I own. It is so light and powerful for being 7' and 2 piece ST. I think its only 3.7 ounces or so. It's definitely the best suited RD model for lower to mid weighted Texas rigs and fun to fish. I know what you mean about the different ways companies put their solid tips on the rods and am learning the differences between how they act from brand to brand the more I get to fish them. Some are more dull feeling in the sensitivity department but really shine in visual bite detection and working the bottom topography of your lake. This rod has both features the sensitivity, and the tip in one. The closest rod that I have to compare is a Designo Leben C71MH+RST2S TT Kamiya tuned except it's one piece. The tips are similar on these models but the dual taper on the Designo is ever so slightly more moderate. The Designo Lebens are flat out some of the most sensitive rods I own or have ever fished. They are extremely clear and dragging tungsten on rocks is almost like the nails on a chalkboard in a good way, and no the RD's just aren't as sensitive, or are most rods from any other brand that I own. I still think it's an excellent rod and they fish comparably and i like the RD backbone a little better. Neither really fish like an Oltre or even the RD SMT. It feels like fishing the RSR with its solid backbone that just seems to shut down after that Xfast/Fast tip gets enough load on it. Except with a lighter thinner walled, slightly less powered, feel of the Hustler tech tunes blank. It also doesn't feel as cushioned on the loadup as the RSR which is one of the reasons I compared them as a Ferrari and Rolls Royce in my first review, although maybe Bently would be a closer car comparison. It's not a knock on either just a different feeling between blanks which I'm sure you get. I also believe the RSR is more sensitive than any of the RD's and just above my B70H, and is just below my Leben C71H+TT limited which in my opinion is a cattle prod. It's the most sensitive rod I own, and definitely more sensitive than the mh/h st mentioned above. It's 1 piece non ST. Which is why I get your confusion about how it can be more sensitive being 2 piece and solid tip compared to 1 piece design. All I can say is that's what impressed me about the Hustler finesse tune. It's a total package ST rod and every bit as sensitive as the hustler tech tune and might be slightly more sensitive than the jigga stick due to it being the heavier rod of the 3. If you like the feel of the racing designs and solid tip rods you will really like this rod. I really hate putting sensitivity comments out there just cause it's all my opinion and not fact but you know they feel to you so it will help you judge for yourself. Plus at this level all these rods sensitivity is just ridiculous and becomes more of what other factors do you prefer. I am not partial to any brand of rod, but only partial to the best rods each brand has to offer and this rod is one of them. Being you are probably one of the few people even in the TT universe that have had the privilege to fish many of the finest rods in the world, and own more than one ST, Oltre, RD, an RSR, and Leben you will be able to figure out if this is a rod for you.
I hope this helps brother.
I appreciate the clarification, Dom. Couldn’t agree more about the sensitivity at this level of rods and personal preferences. Almost splitting hairs these days. There really are just so many outstanding offerings out there. I’ve got so many rods backed up in line, waiting to be fished, yet I can’t stop buying, and now it looks like I’ll have to add the Finesse Tune based on the comments you and Polkfish have made. Still tough to justify when the EGs/RSR, Oltres, Designo Vantage Semi Order, Super Techna TZ, Designo Leggera Ltd, Fragment Jig Game, Torque Tunes and others are so damn good. But you know how it goes... 1 is too many, and 1000 is never enough.
Funny thing is when a rod shows up that you didn’t expect to be THAT impressive (due to price point or other factors), but ends up outperforming sticks that cost twice, sometimes 3 times as much.
Being that I am also NOT brand loyal, and always seeking to acquire the upper echelon of as many different/obscure rod offerings as possible, I fish/own other models from many manufacturers that would be considered “mid-upper level“ enthusiast rods (based on price alone) but are the top of the line from those companies. I have been blown away by some sticks along the way, especially the Fragment Factory Jig rod. Coming in at roughly 500.00, it’s power/taper are similar to the Jigga Stick (it’s meaty) but it is outstanding in the sensitivity department, which is quite a surprise. I honestly did not expect that. The 6’8” length, of course plays a role in this, but it just goes to show you, that there are plenty of amazing rods out there that won’t cost you 750-1k per stick. Another honorable mention has to go out to the Yamaga Blanks Acrobas. These were Yamaga’s Bass rods, costed half of what the RDs will set you back, and were (the Acrobas are discontinued) made completely in-house, in Japan, by Yamaga, who has been building their own blanks/rods since 2008. Their “Bottom Snipe” is another H-powered jig rod measuring in at 6’8” long, completely MIJ and and tuned in house. Not as “feather light” as some others out there but quality and performance match/surpass other rods that cost 2 times as much. Simply outstanding. There’s also the Tiemco JDM Fenwick Super Techna S-TAV610CMHP + J TZ thats a 900.00, “made in China” stick, but puts many MIJ rods to shame. So many others out there as well. Anyways, end of that rant. Sorry to hijack the thread and get off topic, Polkfish. Beautiful acquisitions you guys. Enjoy!