Daiwa IMZ HD introduced

[Johnny A]

Just saw the video on that video interwebz channel

https://youtu.be/ZxF6Vkeu0bs

Ever Forward

[goldrod]

i heard of additon by subtraction but this is subtraction by addition for me.. I dont want to make these decisions when fishing

[dragon1]

i heard of additon by subtraction but this is subtraction by addition for me.. I dont want to make these decisions when fishing

Yeppers...

[SSS]

This is like a beta stage reel. I am certain that in the near future they will make one of these without the need of charging the battery or connecting it to a phone. Not about to pay over 1k for a beta reel.

But i do hope that its well received and is not yet another T3. These kind of brakes are a great thing to have, just like DC.

[Carlos Carrapiço]

This is like a beta stage reel. I am certain that in the near future they will make one of these without the need of charging the battery or connecting it to a phone. Not about to pay over 1k for a beta reel.

But i do hope that its well received and is not yet another T3. These kind of brakes are a great thing to have, just like DC.

I have my doubts about the future "batteryless" version of this reel. I believe Shimano has the rights for self-energizing systems in fishing reels or a better claim on them.

More or less like the dual bearing pinion support that Daiwa was using for decades. Although clearly superior, it took Shimano a long time to use it and I believe it was due to legal rights Daiwa might had.

[Kimbro1014]

My wife swung into the local tackle shop here and sent me a pic of the price tag. Street price here is $775 for the IMZ and $350 for the Steez AII. The IMZ had already sold out and the Steez AII is only orderable in 6.3:1 based on stock with Daiwa JP. I’m curious what she was doing in there though…she said she’s getting me the new black SLP Zillion and a rod for Father’s Day but the rod currently isn’t orderable either. I’m hoping it rhymes with Evergreen Black Raven, that would make a beautiful, incredible combo. Back to the topic…I’d like to put my hands on an IMZ soon although I have no intention of buying one currently.

Joe

[SSS]

This is like a beta stage reel. I am certain that in the near future they will make one of these without the need of charging the battery or connecting it to a phone. Not about to pay over 1k for a beta reel.

But i do hope that its well received and is not yet another T3. These kind of brakes are a great thing to have, just like DC.

I have my doubts about the future "batteryless" version of this reel. I believe Shimano has the rights for self-energizing systems in fishing reels or a better claim on them.

More or less like the dual bearing pinion support that Daiwa was using for decades. Although clearly superior, it took Shimano a long time to use it and I believe it was due to legal rights Daiwa might had.

Self energizing battery from revolutions of an object is not something Shimano has invented. Unless there's proof of them trademarking it, its hard for me to believe that its their own tech now.

[PKN8]

The price is still absurd to me. I get that this is in the higher echelon of Daiwa reels aka not a tatula but if Shimano can pump out $700 or lower "digital" reels, why can't Daiwa?

[Johnny A]

This is like a beta stage reel. I am certain that in the near future they will make one of these without the need of charging the battery or connecting it to a phone. Not about to pay over 1k for a beta reel.

But i do hope that its well received and is not yet another T3. These kind of brakes are a great thing to have, just like DC.

I have my doubts about the future "batteryless" version of this reel. I believe Shimano has the rights for self-energizing systems in fishing reels or a better claim on them.

More or less like the dual bearing pinion support that Daiwa was using for decades. Although clearly superior, it took Shimano a long time to use it and I believe it was due to legal rights Daiwa might had.

Self energizing battery from revolutions of an object is not something Shimano has invented. Unless there's proof of them trademarking it, its hard for me to believe that its their own tech now.

Wasn't there a wrist watch that was self-winding by motion?

[SSS]

This is like a beta stage reel. I am certain that in the near future they will make one of these without the need of charging the battery or connecting it to a phone. Not about to pay over 1k for a beta reel.

But i do hope that its well received and is not yet another T3. These kind of brakes are a great thing to have, just like DC.

I have my doubts about the future "batteryless" version of this reel. I believe Shimano has the rights for self-energizing systems in fishing reels or a better claim on them.

More or less like the dual bearing pinion support that Daiwa was using for decades. Although clearly superior, it took Shimano a long time to use it and I believe it was due to legal rights Daiwa might had.

Self energizing battery from revolutions of an object is not something Shimano has invented. Unless there's proof of them trademarking it, its hard for me to believe that its their own tech now.

Wasn't there a wrist watch that was self-winding by motion?

Yes, automatic watches. There are also auto quartz watches that have the same self winding mechanism that charges a battery, so essentially a DC system, and they've been around for decades prior to shimano releasing their dc module.

[goldrod]

This is like a beta stage reel. I am certain that in the near future they will make one of these without the need of charging the battery or connecting it to a phone. Not about to pay over 1k for a beta reel.

But i do hope that its well received and is not yet another T3. These kind of brakes are a great thing to have, just like DC.

I have my doubts about the future "batteryless" version of this reel. I believe Shimano has the rights for self-energizing systems in fishing reels or a better claim on them.

More or less like the dual bearing pinion support that Daiwa was using for decades. Although clearly superior, it took Shimano a long time to use it and I believe it was due to legal rights Daiwa might had.

Self energizing battery from revolutions of an object is not something Shimano has invented. Unless there's proof of them trademarking it, its hard for me to believe that its their own tech now.

Wasn't there a wrist watch that was self-winding by motion?

Yes, automatic watches. There are also auto quartz watches that have the same self winding mechanism that charges a battery, so essentially a DC system, and they've been around for decades prior to shimano releasing their dc module.

funny you should mention watches i have two watches.. one is a citizen and one is a seiko
i love them but hands down the citizen just needs less attention and charging and the charge last longer the exact faces are here. So I say that to say the same is often similar but not the same

[Carlos Carrapiço]

This is like a beta stage reel. I am certain that in the near future they will make one of these without the need of charging the battery or connecting it to a phone. Not about to pay over 1k for a beta reel.

But i do hope that its well received and is not yet another T3. These kind of brakes are a great thing to have, just like DC.

I have my doubts about the future "batteryless" version of this reel. I believe Shimano has the rights for self-energizing systems in fishing reels or a better claim on them.

More or less like the dual bearing pinion support that Daiwa was using for decades. Although clearly superior, it took Shimano a long time to use it and I believe it was due to legal rights Daiwa might had.

Self energizing battery from revolutions of an object is not something Shimano has invented. Unless there's proof of them trademarking it, its hard for me to believe that its their own tech now.

Let me state first my ignorance about patent law and my laziness to go and check it.

Indeed self energizing is an old concept. What is novel here is the implementation and that in my opinion might be the key point.

Just an example: Extracting energy from wind using a turbine. Nothing new there unless you come up with a new design for the turbine blades that is superior to the existent technology. Now you can patent it and other people have either to license it, come up with their own design that must be significantly different or improve on your design significantly so they can challenge the current patent.
This is my understanding of the general idea of patent excluding the expiration of the patent's validity.

[Slazmo]

Yes, automatic watches. There are also auto quartz watches that have the same self winding mechanism that charges a battery, so essentially a DC system, and they've been around for decades prior to shimano releasing their dc module.

Seiko automatic's are mechanical winding, solar are capacitor battery and are now starting to fail en mass after a decade or so of natural entropy.

The DC system Shimano employs is one of use and loss, no charge is stored after the cast from all I know.

[Johnny A]

Yes, automatic watches. There are also auto quartz watches that have the same self winding mechanism that charges a battery, so essentially a DC system, and they've been around for decades prior to shimano releasing their dc module.

Seiko automatic's are mechanical winding, solar are capacitor battery and are now starting to fail en mass after a decade or so of natural entropy.

The DC system Shimano employs is one of use and loss, no charge is stored after the cast from all I know.

Entropy is the way of the World. #ChaosRules

[dragon1]

Yes, automatic watches. There are also auto quartz watches that have the same self winding mechanism that charges a battery, so essentially a DC system, and they've been around for decades prior to shimano releasing their dc module.

Seiko automatic's are mechanical winding, solar are capacitor battery and are now starting to fail en mass after a decade or so of natural entropy.

The DC system Shimano employs is one of use and loss, no charge is stored after the cast from all I know.

I have a Citizen Eco-Drive gifted to me for my 30th Birthday...that was 22 1/2 years ago...still works pretty much as accurately as when it was new. FWIW.