X1taylor5877 wrote:I'm VERY interested in how objective Tackletour is in their upcoming reviews of the Chronarch and Curado...
I don't really want to take it any further than that...
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Absolutely Correct. But you got it wrong. The Escalade has better suspension and is a decked out luxury vehicle. Chronarch E....is your Tahoe equipped with minor luxury ammenaties. Chronarch E is not an Escalade anymore. There is a difference. A good example would be to have this new Chronarch E be made of magnesium and or have DC (basically a USDM Scorpion XT1000 DC). If Shimano did this, I am pretty sure you would hear less whining and b!tching. Instead, Shimano went backwards with quality.tj1004 wrote:No one whines about the Escalade sharing a platform with a Tahoe.
tj1004 wrote:Shimano isnt trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes.
Perhaps to the average "Joe". We TT Forum Members are not as il-informed and care what we put in our hands. We demand the best. Especially our hard earned money that purchases and supplements tools for our fishing hobby needs. So, damn right, I am going to complain about a $200 item that on paper is subpar.
tj1004 wrote:Its easy, if you dont like a reel, you can come here and talk about it. Just like if I dont like a post, I can come here and talk about it. I never once said that people have to like everything.
Fixed it. Same difference:
tj1004 wrote:Its easy, if you dont like a reel, you can come here and whine about it. Just like if I dont like a post, I can come here and whine about it. I never once said that people have to like everything.
tj1004 wrote:trying to read WAAAYYY to far into things, and everyone thinking that they have better ideas than the big three that aggravates me.
We do have better ideas and usually those ideas are for us fishermen making our tackle better. The big three's ideas revolve around "PROFIT". That is the "BIG" difference.
TT Forums is the place to whine, b!tch, praise, etc., about any one tackle from any manufacturer. Without all these opinions and insights, we would all be the average fisherman "Joe". This is what sets us ethusiasts apart from the rest of the fisherman. Again we demand the best and will fork up our hard earned money for it. And as others have stated, Shimano did this as a marketing ploy. Shimano didn't care if we ethusiasts can see right through them. Shimano knows thier "Name" alone will sell and move these new reels. Its all about $$$ in the end.
Nothing aginst you TJ...I understand your point in posting this thread and I wasn't going to chime in whe I originally saw it but I had to add my 2cents. Now if you were frustrated and felt the same way about our wives, girlfriends, significant others, complaining/whining about our fishing tackle and fishing.....I'd agree with you 100%!!
Where's my wife beater...err I mean ugly stick with a zebco spincast!!????!!!
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I'm an 'avereage Joe' bass fisherman, I care what I put in my hands. Every 'average' bass fisherman does. The name on reel or rod means nothing to me, the rod locker in my boat is full of all different brands that do the job they need to. I know the difference between quality and junk and you don't have to have 565334355 posts on TT to know that. Now onto my point...Buck2thPerch wrote:tj1004 wrote:Shimano isnt trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes.
Perhaps to the average "Joe". We TT Forum Members are not as il-informed and care what we put in our hands. We demand the best. Especially our hard earned money that purchases and supplements tools for our fishing hobby needs. So, damn right, I am going to complain about a $200 item that on paper is subpar.
A Curado 50E was $200 right? Many people loved those reels, claiming they were the best out there for the money.
The new* Chronarch 50, which many say is exactly the same reel as the previous Curado, is $200.
I know the name change thing sucks...but come on, how is the new reel sub-par?! It would only be sub-par if this new* Chronarch remained at $300
The new reel supposedly has some new features too, so I would argue that it's possibly an even better value....
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it is sub par when comparing the new chronarch to the old chronarch.......thats basically the point everyone is trying to make....?
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I get that Chronarch loyalists might be pissed, but the name on a reel does nothing. In fact its probably completely covered up in your hand when fishing....
Price vs performance there's absolutely no way you can call it sub-par. In a world where $600+ reels are justifiable to some, just be thankful they didn't leave the MSRP at $300....
Price vs performance there's absolutely no way you can call it sub-par. In a world where $600+ reels are justifiable to some, just be thankful they didn't leave the MSRP at $300....
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I am willing to bet millions of dollars that the new chronarch's performance is sub par when compared to the old one....
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Duh, it's not the same reel....that's not the point. It's not sub-par for a $200 reel. Things change, deal with it.ecu daniel 14 wrote:I am willing to bet millions of dollars that the new chronarch's performance is sub par when compared to the old one....
I'm willing to bet millions of dollars that if it had no name on it and you paid $200 for it, you would not think you were ripped off.
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I wouldnt pay $200 for a reel if I diddnt know anything about it
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The whole point why everyone is complaining and me as well is, the Chronarch name has always been known for its smooth buttery connected feel/retreive where as the Curado was more plasticky(?). Turning the CU50E into a Chronarch is Subpar. the 50E is no where near the refinement and quality of the CHD7/D5's. Again...take a Ford Mustang's name and throw it on a Ford Focus. Now are you going to say....yeah the new Mustang is a $14,000 Focus...therefore it is appropriately priced and not subpar or are you going to say....WTF...its not a Mustang? Exactly.KDAB wrote:Duh, it's not the same reel....that's not the point. It's not sub-par for a $200 reel. Things change, deal with it.ecu daniel 14 wrote:I am willing to bet millions of dollars that the new chronarch's performance is sub par when compared to the old one....
I'm willing to bet millions of dollars that if it had no name on it and you paid $200 for it, you would not think you were ripped off.
Again, Shimano knew that many people even the average "Joe" knew what the Chronarch is. It is as many have stated, a marketing ploy to garner more sales using the Chronarch Name. And if you haven't noticed, in one of the threads, JPD confirmed the Chronarch E series is just the Curado E series. I've owned several Curado E sereis. I know how they fish and feel like and they are nothing like the Chronarch D series. Most people expected same or better peformance/refinement but alas, Shimano went backwards this year.
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let's hope for better economy next year and some new DC reels from Shimano...icast 2012 is less than 365 days away!
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Buck2thPerch wrote:The whole point why everyone is complaining and me as well is, the Chronarch name has always been known for its smooth buttery connected feel/retreive where as the Curado was more plasticky(?). Turning the CU50E into a Chronarch is Subpar. the 50E is no where near the refinement and quality of the CHD7/D5's. Again...take a Ford Mustang's name and throw it on a Ford Focus. Now are you going to say....yeah the new Mustang is a $14,000 Focus...therefore it is appropriately priced and not subpar or are you going to say....WTF...its not a Mustang? Exactly.KDAB wrote:Duh, it's not the same reel....that's not the point. It's not sub-par for a $200 reel. Things change, deal with it.ecu daniel 14 wrote:I am willing to bet millions of dollars that the new chronarch's performance is sub par when compared to the old one....
I'm willing to bet millions of dollars that if it had no name on it and you paid $200 for it, you would not think you were ripped off.
Again, Shimano knew that many people even the average "Joe" knew what the Chronarch is. It is as many have stated, a marketing ploy to garner more sales using the Chronarch Name. And if you haven't noticed, in one of the threads, JPD confirmed the Chronarch E series is just the Curado E series. I've owned several Curado E sereis. I know how they fish and feel like and they are nothing like the Chronarch D series. Most people expected same or better peformance/refinement but alas, Shimano went backwards this year.
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I used to think Shimano before anything else. Looked for a cranking lefty and was forced to look at one of Daiwa's more expensive offerings. Now I own an R, a Z and another is on the way plus a Pluton. Considering getting a Ryoga 1016 for my cranking although the new rebadged Curado does provide me an option I didn't have before and why I tried Daiwa in the first place.
What are Shimano's plans to keep the true Chronarch crowd happy? It seems that above $200 spender will need to consider other options if they want the previous feel they now have lost to this new apparent marketing scheme. Unless the true Chrinarch gets rebadge such as Core then I'm thinking many Shimano die hards will seek Daiwa instead. Don't think another has something that can compete with the true Chronarch. Perhaps Shimano is not dome with this years new reel offerings.
What are Shimano's plans to keep the true Chronarch crowd happy? It seems that above $200 spender will need to consider other options if they want the previous feel they now have lost to this new apparent marketing scheme. Unless the true Chrinarch gets rebadge such as Core then I'm thinking many Shimano die hards will seek Daiwa instead. Don't think another has something that can compete with the true Chronarch. Perhaps Shimano is not dome with this years new reel offerings.
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I don't think anyone ever said it was the same as the old Chronarh....
The reel itself isn't under performing, I guess I'm not as attached to the names as most...the thing that really sucks is that price of a Cronarch D probably won't drop like a reel normally would when a new model comes out.
The reel itself isn't under performing, I guess I'm not as attached to the names as most...the thing that really sucks is that price of a Cronarch D probably won't drop like a reel normally would when a new model comes out.
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The EXACT same thing happened to me. I was looking for a low geared cranking reel and nothing was offered by Shimano. To that point in time, I had one old Daiwa and the rest were all Shimano. I wasn't considering Daiwa at all before finding out Shimano had no interest in making a low geared lefty. I decided on a Zillion CC...and after another Zillion, two Sols, an Alphas, Pixy, two Fuegos, a TD-z and a soon to be Z200HL...I'm not looking back.GARRIGA wrote:I used to think Shimano before anything else. Looked for a cranking lefty and was forced to look at one of Daiwa's more expensive offerings. Now I own an R, a Z and another is on the way plus a Pluton. Considering getting a Ryoga 1016 for my cranking although the new rebadged Curado does provide me an option I didn't have before and why I tried Daiwa in the first place.
Bantam1 has indicated that 2012 will be the year they release more high end reels.GARRIGA wrote:What are Shimano's plans to keep the true Chronarch crowd happy? It seems that above $200 spender will need to consider other options if they want the previous feel they now have lost to this new apparent marketing scheme. Unless the true Chrinarch gets rebadge such as Core then I'm thinking many Shimano die hards will seek Daiwa instead. Don't think another has something that can compete with the true Chronarch. Perhaps Shimano is not dome with this years new reel offerings.
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If 2012 is the year Shinano releases more high end reels then it will be Daiwa for now. The one exception is a Core 51. I have the 101 and that's one sweet reel but still not as smooth as the D7. Still scratching my head about why that appears to be discontinued.