Daiwa tatula distance

[teejax]

The tatula is my first baitcaster and i started to learn with yo-zuri hybrid line. I could cast a 3/8oz jig with a grub on it to ~40m and for example a 1/2oz twitch bait to ~30m. I did not really like the mono or fluro so bought 35lb. daiwa 8 braid. With braid the casting distance is decreased by 5-10m and that 40m was just enough. If i try to cast with less brake or more force, then it will end with backlash. I'm sure it's possible to cast much farther but i don't know how. I've read a comment at TW, that a boy could cast a worm to 55yd with the tatula... I can cast so far only with a 10-20gr sinker. My settings are: the spool tension is out, just no sideway play and set the dial to 7-8 for jigs, 8-10 for hard baits. I've also tried the other way (spool tension is set to let the bait slowly fall...), but i did not like this way.
Cloud someone help me to adjust it properly? How far can you cast your baits with the tatula?

Thanks in advance

[tywithay]

I adjust mine to where there's a very slight side to side movement. My mag is usually between 4-7. What kind of rod are you using? 3/8 is pretty standard for most baitcaster ratings, but may not be ideal for your particular rod. I've found that I get more distance and less backlash from mono, personally. It weighs more, so that likely adds to the difference in distance.

[teejax]

I adjust mine to where there's a very slight side to side movement. My mag is usually between 4-7. What kind of rod are you using? 3/8 is pretty standard for most baitcaster ratings, but may not be ideal for your particular rod. I've found that I get more distance and less backlash from mono, personally. It weighs more, so that likely adds to the difference in distance.

I've got a Fox Rage Ultron Twitching - Cast Specialist - 180cm 0,5-1,5oz rod. There was a big sale at my local shop (here in Hungary) that's why a i've chosen this. What type of mono are you using and how far can you cast with it?

[Bootytrain]

Whoever said they casted 55 yards with a worm I would take with a grain of salt. I find that people greatly overestimate and exaggerate casting distance, I was one of them until I bought a line counter. It turns out I was overestimating my distance by at least 10-20 feet. The Tatula is a great caster and a great reel (I have the Type R) but I think it may have gotten a little too much hype. People may have bought it with the expectation that it will be the longest casting reel available. If you reached 40 meters with a jig and trailer I think thats a good distance. With a 3/8 casting plug its about even with my Core and Curado 50 with 1 brake on, and the mag dial on the Tatula set to 4(they all average around 135 ft with a 6'6 rod and 10lb mono).

Another thing is that since its your first baitcaster, you have no previous baitcasters to measure it against. I actually have my Tatula spooled up with some 12 lb Yo Zuri hybrid. Ill go and measure some casts today and let you know what I measured out.

[FrankW]

Hi teejax,

Since this is your first casting reel I get the feeling from your comments that you are relying on the brake to prevent backlash. For me to cast further I need to have a light brake setting and use my thumb to control the spool speed. Have you learned to thumb the spool when you cast or do you just throw the bait and let the reel control everything?

Frank

[zalan]

Where do you located in Hungary? If you are close, we can take a look together.

40m is a nice distance with this short and stout rod so I would not worry too much about distance.

[Tim Kelly]

I think the rod is way too stiff for the baits you are trying to throw. If you get a 7ft medium or Med heavy rod you will have a lot more success.

[teejax]

Thanks for your answers!
To understand my problem i need to tell the whole story. I started with a 0,30mm nevis mono, but i wanted something better, that's why i bought yo-zuri hybrid. It was written on the package, that it has 5,9kg tensile strength. I could cast with it pretty good till i tried to cast a 3/4oz suspending minnow, which broke the line. After that I looked closely at the package and i noticed that is was only a 6 lb. line, all the metric datas were false. I though it is only common with the pure fishing stuff, where the 4lb | 1.8kg, 0.004in | 0.10mm nanofil "gains" 5,732kg strength, while being transported over the seas... So i made my conclusion, i need a stronger mono and everything will be fine. Therefore i bought one spool berkley trilene sensation 14 lb test mono, which was so rigid, that almost backlashed all the time (when the spool only rotates a little bit faster than the line goes out and there is a small overrun, which disappears), but if it reaches the reel frame, kills the distance. The next step was the daiwa braid, that was strong enough, did not backlashed, but decreased the distance by 10 meters.
If you could tell me a good mono or fluro with ~12lb. test, maybe my problem would be solved.

Another problem is, that my tatula winds more line to the left side of the spool every time. When the spool looks like filled on the left, then there is 2-3mm from the edge on the right. The level wind moves properly form side to side and i tried everything what i've read on forums.

Bootytrain
I'm looking forward to see your measurements. Thank you.

FrankW
I didn't have to use my thumb with mono to reach that 40m, but i will try to get some meters with braid by using my thumb.

zalan
I'm mostly in Budapest or in Szigetbecse.

I would like to buy another rod, which is a bit longer and its lure wt is about 1/4-2oz to be able to cast 1-2oz swimbaits. I've seen a couple of rods with these ratings, but i don't know how would it work at the lower end (1/4oz jigs and other smaller baits). Maybe two rods, one for the smaller baits, one for the bigger ones would be a better choice. If someone could recommend one i would be happy.

Thanks
Sorry for the long post

[PCSnooker]

If distance is what you're after my 7'7" Phenix m1 has the lure ratings you're after and is a rocket launcher with anything 3/8 of an ounce and up but really shines from 3/4 to one ounce

[zalan]

zalan
I'm mostly in Budapest or in Szigetbecse.

I would like to buy another rod, which is a bit longer and its lure wt is about 1/4-2oz to be able to cast 1-2oz swimbaits. I've seen a couple of rods with these ratings, but i don't know how would it work at the lower end (1/4oz jigs and other smaller baits). Maybe two rods, one for the smaller baits, one for the bigger ones would be a better choice. If someone could recommend one i would be happy.

Thanks
Sorry for the long post

Do not buy a new rod, at least not yet. I live in Székesfehérvár and plan to go to Délegyháza in the spring, we can meet there if you are interested. Currently I have two rods, both are lighter and longer than yours, you can try them. Also you can see other reels (Daiwa Sol and Curado 51E) how do they perform with different lines.

Also for casting setup, you need to have well balanced equipment, so rod, reel, line and lure needs to match. I would not throw 1/4 oz jigs and 2oz swimbaits with the same setup.

[Bootytrain]

It was too cold to get out and do any casting yesterday, my apologies, but I will definitely get some this weekend.

[Tim Kelly]

I would guess that the line is loaded unevenly on the spool because of the way you filled the spool originally. To be sure, strip the line off the reel, put the reel on the rod and thread the line through at least 2 of the rod guides before it gets to the reel and re-spool.

Your trouble with the mono it probably exacerbate by it being cold. In the summer mono and fluoro are much more supple, so better behaved on the reel.

You sound like you need to go back to basics a bit and understand that, with baitcasting gear, it is more important to have everything balanced than it is with spinning gear. Rod, reel and to a lesser extent line need to be matched reasonably well to the bait. you can throw 1oz baits on gear you could throw 3oz baits reasonably well, but 3/8 baits on gear you can throw 2oz is less likely to be successful, especially for someone new to casting gear.

[teejax]

I would guess that the line is loaded unevenly on the spool because of the way you filled the spool originally. To be sure, strip the line off the reel, put the reel on the rod and thread the line through at least 2 of the rod guides before it gets to the reel and re-spool.

Your trouble with the mono it probably exacerbate by it being cold. In the summer mono and fluoro are much more supple, so better behaved on the reel.

You sound like you need to go back to basics a bit and understand that, with baitcasting gear, it is more important to have everything balanced than it is with spinning gear. Rod, reel and to a lesser extent line need to be matched reasonably well to the bait. you can throw 1oz baits on gear you could throw 3oz baits reasonably well, but 3/8 baits on gear you can throw 2oz is less likely to be successful, especially for someone new to casting gear.

I re-spooled it 5 times, but the results are the same. I thread the line trough all the guides so i don't really know, what to do with it. With braid it has also a small gap at the edge of the spool, like it would not be able to handle braided line. Anyway thank you.

I came from spinning gear, so you're right, I've got much to learn.

[ScoobyDoo]

Is the spool filled to capacity? An underfilled spool would cause a drastic distance reduction.

[Bootytrain]

Just came back from the casting tests, and heres what I got. I used 6'6 medium/extra fast, 10lb Suffix Elite Mono, 1/2 ounce casting plug so the distances probably cant be achieved with the average lure due to aerodynamics. I brought the Tatula Type R and Shimano Exsence DC just for kicks because it was the only other reel I had spooled up lol. I used a line counter so you can deduct 3 ft due to the arc. I was using a standard overhand cast motion. Spool tension knob set to where the plug fell and hit the ground with maybe 1 loop of overrun and full spool.

Tatula Type with mag brake dial set to 10, 100 feet average, 105 feet best
with the mag brake dialed down to 4, 147 feet average, 155 feet best.
I got brave and turned the dial down to 2. I made 1 cast of 158 feet, the next cast it backlashed towards the end of the cast and it was so bad I couldn't pick it out.

It was no surprise that the Exsence DC ate the Tatulas lunch. With the DC dial turned to max brake it averaged 102 feet, 105 feet best.
Turned to min brake on the dial it averaged 167 feet with a best of 177 feet.