19 Certate vs 21 (new) Exsence

[ftl1951]

I would go off of what rod I would pairing the reel up with.

Certate is quite a bit heavier.
The Certate is a awesome reel but I would want to try the new Exsence myself.

My Certates (2500) weigh in at just over 7oz. My 17 Exsences (C3000M Japanese versions) weigh exactly 7oz. Apparently, the new Exsence is supposed to be lighter than the original. If it improves on the original, the new Exsence should be amazing. I’m still waiting for my new Luvias Airity. Pretty excited.

My bad, you are correct on the weights, for some reason I thought the Exsence was lighter, maybe I was thinking about the
Vanquish

According to Shimano Japan, the new Exsence is supposed to be 20 grams lighter than the original which should put it at just under 6 oz. pretty light for a 3000 series reel. I’m really interested in how light the specs say the new Luvias Airity is supposed to be. The Certate is still an outstanding reel. So is the current Exsence. The Vanquish is crazy light and that is what I believe the new Daiwa Airity is supposed to compete with head to head. Once you get into this class of reels, both manufacturers produce awesome products. Their smoothness is just incredible. All that being said, I am still convinced that the Certate is a fabulous reel especially for the money. I have said it before, I think it’s the best value for tech currently in the market.

[reason162]

Once you get into this class of reels, both manufacturers produce awesome products. Their smoothness is just incredible.

The way I see it is this - going up the Shimano lineup you get incremental advances, whereas the Daiwa monocoque METAL reels (Certate/Exist and now Luvias Airity) is sort of a revolutionary jump in design.

[TravisNY]

I would go off of what rod I would pairing the reel up with.

Certate is quite a bit heavier.
The Certate is a awesome reel but I would want to try the new Exsence myself.

My Certates (2500) weigh in at just over 7oz. My 17 Exsences (C3000M Japanese versions) weigh exactly 7oz. Apparently, the new Exsence is supposed to be lighter than the original. If it improves on the original, the new Exsence should be amazing. I’m still waiting for my new Luvias Airity. Pretty excited.

My bad, you are correct on the weights, for some reason I thought the Exsence was lighter, maybe I was thinking about the
Vanquish

According to Shimano Japan, the new Exsence is supposed to be 20 grams lighter than the original which should put it at just under 6 oz. pretty light for a 3000 series reel. I’m really interested in how light the specs say the new Luvias Airity is supposed to be. The Certate is still an outstanding reel. So is the current Exsence. The Vanquish is crazy light and that is what I believe the new Daiwa Airity is supposed to compete with head to head. Once you get into this class of reels, both manufacturers produce awesome products. Their smoothness is just incredible. All that being said, I am still convinced that the Certate is a fabulous reel especially for the money. I have said it before, I think it’s the best value for tech currently in the market.

Completely agree in that all are fine reels. I’ve got five Stella FJ. Of those mentioned I had three Exsence and three Exist LT’s. I don’t think I caught any less fish with one over the other. But...

Being one that fishes river smallmouth on bony water in summer swelter to low 30’s ice water that resembles water from Deliverance, traveling logging roads for miles on a side by side UTV using a winch on occasion to launch none of my combos are babied or staying dry very often on wades tailored more for a goat. My Stellas are as new. I’ve owned a ton of upper end spins over the years and tend to not ultimately judge them on paper but whether after a year or two they’ve kept up with my endeavors. Of course how, when , where someone fishes plays a roll in our opinions. It is however fairly amazing just how far these reels have come over what I used 20,30 and 40 years ago.

Happy shopping gents.

[BRONZEBACK32]

I like Daiwa's new monocoque body but hate the looks of the bulky rotor, but it functions well.
But the looks though LOL.

[Canga-]

Once you get into this class of reels, both manufacturers produce awesome products. Their smoothness is just incredible.

The way I see it is this - going up the Shimano lineup you get incremental advances, whereas the Daiwa monocoque METAL reels (Certate/Exist and now Luvias Airity) is sort of a revolutionary jump in design.

i love the three certates i have, but that airity (in a 2000s p) will definately be my next reel. that looks amazing!

[BRONZEBACK32]

Is the Luvias Airity going to be state side?

[jerkbait22]

Well, with cabin fever fully upon me and after a couple drinks, I lost my patience and pulled the trigger on the Certate 2500XH.

What's more, I still feel like I'm due another purchase, possibly the Luvias Airity or Exsence when they are available. But now I can sit back knowing I'm fully set up going into the spring and wait to see the feedback on those two before making a purchase. Of course it the Exsence or Airity would need it's own rod...hoping we see the MB P5 American tapers sooner than later as that'd be my choice.

Thanks for all the feedback on this thread!

[ftl1951]

Daiwa Luvias Airity on the way. They are in stock overseas...

[HobeyBaker]

Anyone with an update on the new Exsence? How does it stack up against the Certate, Stella, and Exist?