St Croix Seviin reels

[tincanary]

You may want to lighten up a little bit on the Banax thing. Some of the lower line Daiwa stuff were Banax. On the other note, it's a pretty low thing to trumpet virtues of a company who are lining pockets.

I have no issues with Banax, where my issue sits is the claim made that St Croix developed and owns the tooling. St Croix supposedly told the admin of the forum referenced above. We can clearly see from these screenshots posted above that Seviin are OEM reels. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but honesty is the best policy.

It's possible Banax could be doing the reels based upon St Croix design. Whoever did the first Revos used an Abu design. Difference is history. Abu was around for 90 years when they did the Revo.

Abu didn't use OEMs up until Pure Fishing took complete control of operations in 2000. Abu made all reels in Sweden until they merged with Garcia in '81, then their spinning reels were made in Japan while baitcasters stayed in Sweden and some models made here in the USA. These were all made in factories owned and operated by Abu Garcia. Pure Fishing took over in '98 but didn't force the hand of Abu until 2000 and slowly started making reels in China, Korea, and Taiwan. The Abu of the 20th century was just as good, if not better than Shimano and Daiwa of the day. Now they rely on OEMs for the majority of their products like anybody else. Since they own the trademarks to Magtrax and IVCB and other technologies they developed years ago, they can plaster it on any OEM product that's very similar or even identical in function to their initial offerings. The Magtrax system initially put forth by Abu when they released low profile models in the early 80s is near identical to the systems used by OEMs today. As it stands now, I highly doubt there is any real product development coming from Sweden. It's just too easy to use an OEM and stick your name on it. It's far more profitable than staffing an engineering team and developing the tooling, plus training people to use that tooling. Abu isn't the first company to slowly slide into irrelevancy by way of vulture capitalists.

I used to work with an Abu designer when they had people in NJ, probably just before or about the time Abu started work on the Revo. I didn't learn about the Revo from American ads, I saw it first in Japan tackle porn. The first guy I saw with it was Imae, from Imakatsu. Abu had some very interesting ideas back in the day.

It's a shame what they've turned into. I have a number of Swedish reels and still use them more than anything else.

[joekaz]

I would try one but the palm side plate does not look comfortable to me. I like smooth palm plates like the ones on Shimano's.

[dragon1]

On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.

You may want to lighten up a little bit on the Banax thing. Some of the lower line Daiwa stuff were Banax. On the other note, it's a pretty low thing to trumpet virtues of a company who are lining pockets.

I have no issues with Banax, where my issue sits is the claim made that St Croix developed and owns the tooling. St Croix supposedly told the admin of the forum referenced above. We can clearly see from these screenshots posted above that Seviin are OEM reels. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but honesty is the best policy.

It's possible Banax could be doing the reels based upon St Croix design. Whoever did the first Revos used an Abu design. Difference is history. Abu was around for 90 years when they did the Revo.

Abu didn't use OEMs up until Pure Fishing took complete control of operations in 2000. Abu made all reels in Sweden until they merged with Garcia in '81, then their spinning reels were made in Japan while baitcasters stayed in Sweden and some models made here in the USA. These were all made in factories owned and operated by Abu Garcia. Pure Fishing took over in '98 but didn't force the hand of Abu until 2000 and slowly started making reels in China, Korea, and Taiwan. The Abu of the 20th century was just as good, if not better than Shimano and Daiwa of the day. Now they rely on OEMs for the majority of their products like anybody else. Since they own the trademarks to Magtrax and IVCB and other technologies they developed years ago, they can plaster it on any OEM product that's very similar or even identical in function to their initial offerings. The Magtrax system initially put forth by Abu when they released low profile models in the early 80s is near identical to the systems used by OEMs today. As it stands now, I highly doubt there is any real product development coming from Sweden. It's just too easy to use an OEM and stick your name on it. It's far more profitable than staffing an engineering team and developing the tooling, plus training people to use that tooling. Abu isn't the first company to slowly slide into irrelevancy by way of vulture capitalists.

Corporate Cronyism/Nepotism working hand-in-hand with a Socialist government (aka fascism-lite), to enforce crippling taxes, legislation, and regulations, on what used to be a "fair", open market, free capitalist system...and literally took one of the greatest engineering and manufacturing countries in the world, and turned Sweden into a shadow of what it used to be.

[LowRange]

So Okuma has the high end one with an aluminum frame and centrifugal brake.

[setsail26]

It was so nice of St. Croix to let Okuma use their tooling.

[dragon1]

It was so nice of St. Croix to let Okuma use their tooling.

LMMFAO...

Yeppers.

[Hulkster]

On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.

I believe they are a board sponsor..

I pointed out that they would have been better to go with an aluminum frame and charge a bit more because a reel like the Shimano SLX blows it out of the water by design at the same price point....

that didn't go over well lol

[hoohoorjoo]

On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.

That Glenn character locked the thread, he's as soft as Charmin toilet paper haha.

That guy couldn't find his way out of a wet paper sack. He's a douche nozzle, to say the least. He suspended my account several years back, told me I "sold too much stuff". I explained to him that I buy and sell stuff all the time, just trying the 'latest and greatest'. Then 2 of his own mods, who I am friends with, asked him why he did that and actually defended me directly to him. He msg'd
me later that day and said he lifted the suspension, but I rather impolitely told him I wouldn't be back.

[tincanary]

I believe they are a board sponsor..

I pointed out that they would have been better to go with an aluminum frame and charge a bit more because a reel like the Shimano SLX blows it out of the water by design at the same price point....

that didn't go over well lol

I'm on a lot of forums, fishing related or otherwise, and that is the only one that the admin also works in a sales role when it comes to sponsors. On the other forums, the sponsors themselves market or talk about their products in the general forum or address complaints or concerns when they pop up. With 'that' other site, it's "man this is the greatest thing ever! You need this!" or some kind of outlandish claim comes up like "they own the tooling and it's their own design". Like was said above, it was very, very nice of St. Croix to let Okuma use their tooling. I have nothing against manufacturers using OEMs, I've owned and used many OEM produced reels over the years. My issue is the admin of a rather large forum lying about a product to push sales for a sponsor. It doesn't look good for the site or the administrators.

[dragon1]

Izz wee tawkin' 'bout Arse Reeee-sores?!?

[tincanary]

Izz wee tawkin' 'bout Arse Reeee-sores?!?

We sho' iz!

[Johnny A]

On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.

That Glenn character locked the thread, he's as soft as Charmin toilet paper haha.

That guy couldn't find his way out of a wet paper sack. He's a douche nozzle, to say the least. He suspended my account several years back, told me I "sold too much stuff". I explained to him that I buy and sell stuff all the time, just trying the 'latest and greatest'. Then 2 of his own mods, who I am friends with, asked him why he did that and actually defended me directly to him. He msg'd
me later that day and said he lifted the suspension, but I rather impolitely told him I wouldn't be back.

He pulled the "too much stuff" thing with me too.

[hoohoorjoo]

On another forum this reel is being pimped HARD. The admin of the site is making the dubious claim that St. Croix designed the reel and owns the tooling, even though it's a Chinese OEM reel like everything else Banax. Those of us that know better were quick to point out that it's a Banax with a different branding attached to it. They are quite entertaining threads to say the least.

I believe they are a board sponsor..

I pointed out that they would have been better to go with an aluminum frame and charge a bit more because a reel like the Shimano SLX blows it out of the water by design at the same price point....

that didn't go over well lol

Heck, even the Daiwa CA80 with an aluminum frame at the same $100 price point is a better reel(and it is actually OEM-built, as well). At the street price of $75-$90, the CA80 is much better choice. Tbh, the SLX is likely a better reel overall than the Daiwa, if only due to Shimano's in-house QC.

[Thunderblack1984]

He pulled the "too much stuff" thing with me too.
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Me three! lol oh well