Question about leader knots

[jpd0144]

It's super fast and you can trim the entire tag end for thicker lines ...

X2 ! My go to knot ... !

[Thor]

Since we are making suggestions, for freshwater, a back to back uniknot is simple to tie and fairly small. The braid still needs to be doubled.

Run the line through the guides of your rod, connect the fluoro leader is something solid and pull up. Most people cannot break anything when using the rod, in this manner, except maybe, the rod.

[WoodT]

The Alberto Knot is a excellent, and all I use anymore for joining flouro to braid. I do six wraps instead of seven. It's super fast and you can trim the entire tag end for thicker lines (15-20 flouro to 20# braid, in my case). Very compact knot through the guides. Popular here on the forums.

http://www.thefisherman.com/index.cfm?f ... Knot_ID=29

Isn't that just a shorter, fatter version of the Albright? Does look a bit easier to tie though. The only issue I ever have with the Albright is if I leave the flouro tag end too long and it catches on a guide during a cast. That bends it out and then it will catch on pretty much very cast. I will try adding a simple loc with the braid tag end starting on the braid end of the knot, then cross over to the flouro tag and lock it again to completely hide the flouro tag under the braid lock. Seems like it should work if it final lock stays tight. I don't mess with super glue so it will have to hold on its own.

DaveJ

Much easier/faster to tie (for me, at least). And you can trim the tag end very close...like I was saying, if if I do know I've tied it right (basically, it clinches down tight and the foremost loop is "squeezing" hard)...I have no hesitation about clipping the tag end completely for heavier lines.

It's the slimmest knot I know, and passes through K and recoil guides very well.

[IlliniDawg01]

The Alberto Knot is a excellent, and all I use anymore for joining flouro to braid. I do six wraps instead of seven. It's super fast and you can trim the entire tag end for thicker lines (15-20 flouro to 20# braid, in my case). Very compact knot through the guides. Popular here on the forums.

http://www.thefisherman.com/index.cfm?f ... Knot_ID=29

Isn't that just a shorter, fatter version of the Albright? Does look a bit easier to tie though. The only issue I ever have with the Albright is if I leave the flouro tag end too long and it catches on a guide during a cast. That bends it out and then it will catch on pretty much very cast. I will try adding a simple loc with the braid tag end starting on the braid end of the knot, then cross over to the flouro tag and lock it again to completely hide the flouro tag under the braid lock. Seems like it should work if it final lock stays tight. I don't mess with super glue so it will have to hold on its own.

DaveJ

Much easier/faster to tie (for me, at least). And you can trim the tag end very close...like I was saying, if if I do know I've tied it right (basically, it clinches down tight and the foremost loop is "squeezing" hard)...I have no hesitation about clipping the tag end completely for heavier lines.

It's the slimmest knot I know, and passes through K and recoil guides very well.

Have you tried the Albright? It is slimmer yet and should be equally as strong. I would imagine the flouro tag line can be cut just as short I just don't have stediest hands and prefer to error on the side of caution. It is a little tougher to tie though for sure.

DaveJ

[adam lancia]

I like the idea of doubling the braid over, I have had a couple of Albright knots come undone while testing them before casting. I realize this is no fault of the knot, just my own, but if I can tie the Alberto more consistently, I think the tiny extra bit of bulk that doubling the braid over causes will be worth it. I'll probably feel better about trimming the leader tag off flush too Thanks guys!

[IlliniDawg01]

I like the idea of doubling the braid over, I have had a couple of Albright knots come undone while testing them before casting. I realize this is no fault of the knot, just my own, but if I can tie the Alberto more consistently, I think the tiny extra bit of bulk that doubling the braid over causes will be worth it. I'll probably feel better about trimming the leader tag off flush too Thanks guys!

Yep, that is why we should all test our knots

I'm going to try the Alberto out next time I get to go fishing. So long as it goes through my guides easy it could be the way to go.

DaveJ

[adam lancia]

I tied a couple of Albertos today. What I noticed was that the braid would knot really tight near where the leader was doubled over but it would take some coaxing to get the 3 turns opposite that end to pull tight. I was able to get them tight with a ton of pressure and then re-tightening the lines after I had trimmed both tag ends. Is that how this knot is supposed to tighten up? Hopefully I'll get a chance to see how these fish tomorrow.

[WoodT]

I tied a couple of Albertos today. What I noticed was that the braid would knot really tight near where the leader was doubled over but it would take some coaxing to get the 3 turns opposite that end to pull tight. I was able to get them tight with a ton of pressure and then re-tightening the lines after I had trimmed both tag ends. Is that how this knot is supposed to tighten up? Hopefully I'll get a chance to see how these fish tomorrow.

When I tie them properly, the pointy end (closest to the flour leader) will appear slightly more snug than the other loops. It should cinch together pretty easily. Make sure everything's wet, etc.

These are a very handy thing to have in your tackle box, regardless of what knots you may choose. Especially if you use braid.

http://www.histackleboxshop.com/Finger- ... 0rings.htm

[WoodT]

Have you tried the Albright? It is slimmer yet and should be equally as strong. I would imagine the flouro tag line can be cut just as short I just don't have stediest hands and prefer to error on the side of caution. It is a little tougher to tie though for sure.

DaveJ

Yeah, I think I tried to tie them early on in my knot odyssey and I wasn't doing it right and lost some fish. Also felt like it wasn't short enough in terms of length. I went back to uni to uni...that's a good knot, just thick through guides. Found out about the Alberto and went 100% to that.

Not a big deal here, but I had always understood the Alberto to be one notch below the Bimini knot in terms of strength and stronger than an Albright, but not sure now. Ultimately my issue with the Albright is my attention span.

[adam lancia]

I tied a couple of Albertos today. What I noticed was that the braid would knot really tight near where the leader was doubled over but it would take some coaxing to get the 3 turns opposite that end to pull tight. I was able to get them tight with a ton of pressure and then re-tightening the lines after I had trimmed both tag ends. Is that how this knot is supposed to tighten up? Hopefully I'll get a chance to see how these fish tomorrow.

When I tie them properly, the pointy end (closest to the flour leader) will appear slightly more snug than the other loops. It should cinch together pretty easily. Make sure everything's wet, etc.

These are a very handy thing to have in your tackle box, regardless of what knots you may choose. Especially if you use braid.

http://www.histackleboxshop.com/Finger- ... 0rings.htm

Mine have snugged up the opposite way, tighter where the leader doubles over and looser towards the tag end of the leader. I have seen those finger savers and just might order a couple. I have a friend who might like these too, and if I'm ordering from Hi's, I might as well make it worth my while...

Thanks again for all the help!

[WoodT]

Now that I think about it more, I am guessing you are wrapping the loops closest to the main line tighter than the initial ones. Wrap the inital ones close and somewhat tight to the flouro. The last two or so wraps will basically make the braid portion look like a "Y" (ie, the last few loops are more loose and symmetrical with the initial pass-through of the mainline through the loop). Allows it to clinch in that way I am describing.

The way I am suggesting will look different than the example provided in that link I posted. I think that is a function of them using a thick cord for the demonstration...I definitely don't ever "push up" the knot with my fingers when I use a braid to flouro connection, as they suggest. It should clinch naturally (particularly if it is wet).

Good luck.

[adam lancia]

OK, I'll give that a try today. I can probably find a few minutes to mess around with it. It's only a work day after all

[adam lancia]

So I just watched a youtube video on how to tie this knot and I think I figured out what I was doing wrong. I was pulling both the tag ends and main lines tight, rather than just the main lines. I'll tie a few that way to see if they're any better. I figure they will be.

[doublethree]

This looks good. Thanks for that!

Here is how you tie a keeper on the Albright. You just make a loop and back wind 3 or 4 times and pull the tag tight back into the Albright. It is done with the braid.

I miss spoke, it changes the direction for the incoming line. The real purpose is to reduce the chance of the knot slipping with braid.

Frank

[WoodT]

Hmm. Maybe will try the Albright again, I guess I forgot that it results in the tag end facing behind. I trim my Alberto tag end pretty close, but it still sometimes bumps a bit through recoil guides and K-guides. Still just used to the reliability of that Alberto and it's strength, but hey, it's just LMB.

Good feedback, thanks!