Defier users please chime in

[Hogsticker2]

I love this line to death. Use 11, 13, and 15 all the time. I need a 6 lb mono, and fear I'll be disappointed with anything else. Is there a lighter test mono that's even somewhat comparable to Defier? What are you guys using, Super Natural?

[smalljaw]

I never used defier and I don't know what you look for in mono but I may be able to help. I started using Spider Wire Ultra Cast Ultimate Mono this season and I'm thinking it is the only mono I'm going to use anymore. I got it in 6lb and 8lb then 10lb and 14lb and I'm very happy with it. This line is thin, and there is very little stretch and that isn't a joke, it shocked me the first time I used it. I really like the abrasion resistance too, everything is great but there is one downside, it handles better than fluorocarbon but it has a little more memory than I like, but I found that 2 squirts of KVD Line ands Lure and it is awesome!! It handles fantastic on casting reels but with the KVD L&L it is the same for spinning, very strong with little stretch, so far I'm a fan, I'd like to try and find it in bulk spools as I'm going to stick with it and I think if you give it a shot you may like it as well but it depends on what you're looking for.

[Hogsticker2]

I don't know Dan. I tried Spiderwire one time and vowed it would be my last. Looking at diameters this in 8 lb test is the same as Defier in 11 lb test, so I wouldn't be making much headway.

[Pegasus]

A few months ago I criticized some of the people who would spend 34.00 on a spool of mono
I take it all back !!!
This line really impressed me a lot. I thought Armilo was crap , but this line for me is where my search ends.
Yes its expensive so I use it sparingly, I use cheaper line for backing.
I got a spool of 15lb. test it casts so good my son put it on his spinning reel. He was using P-Line CX 12lb.
but this is his new line as well. So to all of those guys I gave a hard time about this line I apologize, and would like to say
thank you for convincing me. Would also like to say thank's to Matt from Sunline.

[steve1206]

I don't know Dan. I tried Spiderwire one time and vowed it would be my last. Looking at diameters this in 8 lb test is the same as Defier in 11 lb test, so I wouldn't be making much headway.

This is correct. The 11 is just like usdm 8lb (diameter) ...I have used it for jerk baits quite a bit. How small are you really looking to go?? Something in the bass world or a really small true 6 lb class/panfish line?? What's the app??....not that've have the perfect answer other tan you at be SOL...Super Natural is not the answer IMO.

[BigG]

I use Sunline Supernatural, Defier, and Armilo and am happy with all three. Armilo is the best line I use and now use it for most everything except deep crankbait and bottom contract. I still have Defier on some reels and it great line, also. I have used supernatural for topwater in the past and it's good line. I have 6# supernatural on my crappie and pan fish spinning reels and am very happy with it. Great shooting line. I will be buying only Armilo in the future, except for shooting small jigs, where the stretch is helpful.

[Hogsticker2]

A few months ago I criticized some of the people who would spend 34.00 on a spool of mono
I take it all back !!!
This line really impressed me a lot. I thought Armilo was crap , but this line for me is where my search ends.
Yes its expensive so I use it sparingly, I use cheaper line for backing.
I got a spool of 15lb. test it casts so good my son put it on his spinning reel. He was using P-Line CX 12lb.
but this is his new line as well. So to all of those guys I gave a hard time about this line I apologize, and would like to say
thank you for convincing me. Would also like to say thank's to Matt from Sunline.

Don't want to say I told you so, but I told you so

[Hogsticker2]

I use Sunline Supernatural, Defier, and Armilo and am happy with all three. Armilo is the best line I use and now use it for most everything except deep crankbait and bottom contract. I still have Defier on some reels and it great line, also. I have used supernatural for topwater in the past and it's good line. I have 6# supernatural on my crappie and pan fish spinning reels and am very happy with it. Great shooting line. I will be buying only Armilo in the future, except for shooting small jigs, where the stretch is helpful.

I have a medium light stick not getting much use with a Bfs reel I'm thinking about using for spybaits. A technique I haven't tried yet. I don't want to use fluorocarbon unless I have to. Concerned 11 lb Defier may be a tad to much.

[BigG]

I use Sunline Supernatural, Defier, and Armilo and am happy with all three. Armilo is the best line I use and now use it for most everything except deep crankbait and bottom contract. I still have Defier on some reels and it great line, also. I have used supernatural for topwater in the past and it's good line. I have 6# supernatural on my crappie and pan fish spinning reels and am very happy with it. Great shooting line. I will be buying only Armilo in the future, except for shooting small jigs, where the stretch is helpful.

I have a medium light stick not getting much use with a Bfs reel I'm thinking about using for spybaits. A technique I haven't tried yet. I don't want to use fluorocarbon unless I have to. Concerned 11 lb Defier may be a tad to much.

I use 13# & 11# Defier for 1/4 oz Pop R's and like it. I use an Alpha Type R & X7 Super Elisel with the 13# Deflier and it's works great. ML rod should cast even better.

[smalljaw]

I don't know Dan. I tried Spiderwire one time and vowed it would be my last. Looking at diameters this in 8 lb test is the same as Defier in 11 lb test, so I wouldn't be making much headway.

The Spider Wire Ultimate mono is .009 for 8lb and .011 for 10lb, the Defier 11lb is .0108 which rounded up in .011, so it is a little thinner but not by a lot. The thing that turned me off from Defier is the knot strength, I'm a palomar guy and Defier doesn't hold that knot well, at least from what I've read. I'll send you a spool Mark of the ultimate mono Mark, maybe you won't like it but it made me rethink a lot of things with line. I use Suffix 832 for braid after I hated the Spider Wire Stealth braid but trying the ultimate mono was the best decision I made with line in a long time.

[Hogsticker2]

I don't know Dan. I tried Spiderwire one time and vowed it would be my last. Looking at diameters this in 8 lb test is the same as Defier in 11 lb test, so I wouldn't be making much headway.

The Spider Wire Ultimate mono is .009 for 8lb and .011 for 10lb, the Defier 11lb is .0108 which rounded up in .011, so it is a little thinner but not by a lot. The thing that turned me off from Defier is the knot strength, I'm a palomar guy and Defier doesn't hold that knot well, at least from what I've read. I'll send you a spool Mark of the ultimate mono Mark, maybe you won't like it but it made me rethink a lot of things with line. I use Suffix 832 for braid after I hated the Spider Wire Stealth braid but trying the ultimate mono was the best decision I made with line in a long time.

Well one thing I've learned is to trust your judgement. You've never let me down. If you wanna send me a spool I'll definitely give it a try.

[Teal101]

I use Sunline Supernatural, Defier, and Armilo and am happy with all three. Armilo is the best line I use and now use it for most everything except deep crankbait and bottom contract. I still have Defier on some reels and it great line, also. I have used supernatural for topwater in the past and it's good line. I have 6# supernatural on my crappie and pan fish spinning reels and am very happy with it. Great shooting line. I will be buying only Armilo in the future, except for shooting small jigs, where the stretch is helpful.

I have a medium light stick not getting much use with a Bfs reel I'm thinking about using for spybaits. A technique I haven't tried yet. I don't want to use fluorocarbon unless I have to. Concerned 11 lb Defier may be a tad to much.

It will be, you'll get too much lift from the line and the bait wont stay down. I've tried mono (albeit 12lb p-line mono) and it didnt work well at all. 6lb Red Label has done me good with a spybait. I used 6lb p-line fluoroclear as well and the fluoro Red Label is a better option for that technique.

[BigG]

I use Sunline Supernatural, Defier, and Armilo and am happy with all three. Armilo is the best line I use and now use it for most everything except deep crankbait and bottom contract. I still have Defier on some reels and it great line, also. I have used supernatural for topwater in the past and it's good line. I have 6# supernatural on my crappie and pan fish spinning reels and am very happy with it. Great shooting line. I will be buying only Armilo in the future, except for shooting small jigs, where the stretch is helpful.

I have a medium light stick not getting much use with a Bfs reel I'm thinking about using for spybaits. A technique I haven't tried yet. I don't want to use fluorocarbon unless I have to. Concerned 11 lb Defier may be a tad to much.

It will be, you'll get too much lift from the line and the bait wont stay down. I've tried mono (albeit 12lb p-line mono) and it didnt work well at all. 6lb Red Label has done me good with a spybait. I used 6lb p-line fluoroclear as well and the fluoro Red Label is a better option for that technique.

For my small cranks I do use 8# Sunline Shooter, don't go lighter on Guntersville.

[njbasscat]

I wish they made Defier down to 4 or 6 lb test. I would like to try it on spinning reels. As for now, when I go that light, I really like Tatsu. It handles very well on my 2500 spinning reels.