Busted Vision 110

[damian_megabass]

"Corporate greed" Dumbest two worded combinations ever!

Curious, Rifle have you ever tried any of Yuki's line of lures?


J, GL on your journey!


JohnnyA, GL to you too, with your posts….

[Johnny A]

1. We don't know the secret lives of our lures. You are fishing around obstacles and structure, unless you have a videocam attached to your bait you really have no idea what it is coming in contact with or more importantly, how hard an impact is occurring.

2. If you don't think the bait is sturdy enough, don't by it.

3. I have a bait from another JDM. The bait has a circuit board lip. I'm estimating I've caught about 35 fish of various sizes up to about 5 lbs. The lip is starting to loosen and to my knowledge it hasn't hit obstacle one. How long is the bait supposed to last? It's plastic and plastic is forever, is the bait supposed to last forever?

4. I don't know what you do for a living but is every job you do always 100%? Every transaction. Every screw. Every nail. Every wire. Every burger. Always 100%? I'm doubting it.

That's just off the top of my head.

[CALL ME RIFLE]

damian megabass wrote-"Corporate greed" Dumbest two worded combinations ever! "

And you say this without qualifying your statement in any way...and without proper spelling and sentence structure.

DMB-"Curious, Rifle have you ever tried any of Yuki's line of lures?"

Yes,and I am not enthralled by them.As I eluded to earlier,lucky craft products produce better in the places that I fish.Your handle alone indicates that you are obviously an over the top MB "fanboy",as they say...making any statements you make a bit less than subjective.

[CALL ME RIFLE]

Johnny-"1. We don't know the secret lives of our lures. You are fishing around obstacles and structure, unless you have a videocam attached to your bait you really have no idea what it is coming in contact with or more importantly, how hard an impact is occurring."

True enough,although simply reeling a lure in and making contact with structure doesnt even begin to simulate the destructive power of a fish striking the bait,and should never,in and of itself be reason for a hardbait to fail.

J-"2. If you don't think the bait is sturdy enough, don't by it."

Agreed,as clearly stated in my last post.But that doesn't help when we are speaking about initial purchases,with a reasonable expectation of some durability.Please re-read my earlier post for further clarification on this.

3. " I have a bait from another JDM. The bait has a circuit board lip. I'm estimating I've caught about 35 fish of various sizes up to about 5 lbs. The lip is starting to loosen and to my knowledge it hasn't hit obstacle one. How long is the bait supposed to last? It's plastic and plastic is forever, is the bait supposed to last forever?"

Obviously no bait will last forever per se,although I have some that have caught hundreds of fish...and while the finishes may be a bit worse for wear,they still perform-and still catch fish.Again however,BIG difference between repeated strikes from fairly sizable fish,and coincidentally bumping into structure when reeling..

4. " I don't know what you do for a living but is every job you do always 100%? Every transaction. Every screw. Every nail. Every wire. Every burger. Always 100%? I'm doubting it."

Well Johnny nowadays I am basically retired,but I still breed and train dogs.Used to do alot of things at one time or another,from tactical gunsmithing,to protection work,to bar bouncing,hell even worked construction as a carpenter for a period of time.And while no one is perfect,certainly to include myself,I am a perfectionist,and I strive to always do everything that I do properly,and to the best of my ability.And if there is a ever a problem with something I have done,I go out of my way to make it right.Obviously cant say the same thing about Megabass...

That's just off the top of my head.[/quote]

[DUZBASS]

Rifle, we are not talking about a small bump on a rock, we are talking about a quick/sharp knock after you jerk the bait, not while reeling. The plastic clearly cant handle this sharp acute trauma as opposed to the kind of bumping that occurs while cranking. I fish the snot out of these baits around rocks a large portion of the time and I have only broken 3 in 6-7 years I have been fishing them. That's pretty good odds IMO, and they aren't so fragile they "break when a fish looks at them" I used some common sense and changed my approach and I haven't broken one since...

My final thought on this:

Since when does sophistication and high tech anything = durability

Yuki designed this bait to perform like nothing else, and when you are pushing the design to the edge you may sacrifice some aspect in order to achieve a performance goal. Is the 110 a perfect design? No, but what is really. Can you say that anything you have owned is perfect?? I think not. It is all about progress. Will they make something better next time, my guess is yes, just as they always have. I dont think $25 buys you perfection, nor should it, but it is certainly closer than most of the crap sold by US companies... This is what kills me about Luck e Strike. Why not take the design and improve it? Instead they just steal it, make it cheap, and no progress is made.

[damian_megabass]

damian megabass wrote-"Corporate greed" Dumbest two worded combinations ever! "

And you say this without qualifying your statement in any way...and without proper spelling and sentence structure.

DMB-"Curious, Rifle have you ever tried any of Yuki's line of lures?"

Yes,and I am not enthralled by them.As I eluded to earlier,lucky craft products produce better in the places that I fish.Your handle alone indicates that you are obviously an over the top MB "fanboy",as they say...making any statements you make a bit less than subjective.

I guess yuo can label everyone who owns tons of MB stuff fanboys as well.

Btw go read you posts, since you mentioned sentences and spelling.


It's gotten off topic and by your response I think I'm done.


J - If MB doesn't say anything, LMK I'll send you one of my GG Gill to make it somewhat right

[Jraymond]

Rifle- Thanks for the support. Its pointless to argue with some the members on this forum. Have you seen their megabass collections? Completely ridiculous (but impressive). Its going to be hard to get anyone with that amount of money invested to admit there is a problem. If you check the product reviews on sites that sell the baits almost every other comment is a complaint about the bill issue. That aside from my own experiences is a clear enough indication that there is a problem.

I however witnessed the visions magic. It produces like no other jerkbait-ripbait-crankbait or whatever you want call it that I have fished with, but after breaking three in one weekend I just cant justify buying them anymore until they fix the problem.

I think its great that the bait is being copied without changes to the bill. This along with customers dropping like flies do to my same frustration will surely have an impact on vision sales. Hopefully Ito's business sense will over power whatever the road block might be and he releases an improved lure.

Damian- You and whoever else can send me as many visions as you want

[CALL ME RIFLE]

Duzbass-No gripe with you bud,you make reasonable points and are quite articulate in doing so.Although I am judging the level of contact based upon viewing Jray's video,and it didnt look like he jerked too terribly hard to me.
Damian Megabass-No,I will not label everyone who owns Megabass gear as fanboys.But if they use the company name in their handle....? Now that is something else entirely.Further,what kind of response do you expect when you essentially come off saying I'm dumb,for speaking upon corporate greed?I think I was rather civil considering your level of conversational foolishness.And for the record,if you ever see me spell something incorrectly,you can well assume it is indeed the result of a typo.Can you say the same?Tell you what,how about you and I square off in a spelling bee.lmao Loser buys the winner a new boat...
JRaymond-'Tis all good man,just speaking upon what I believe..

[jeb]

My final thought on this:

Since when does sophistication and high tech anything = durability

They are not mutually exclusive properties.

Yuki designed this bait to perform like nothing else, and when you are pushing the design to the edge you may sacrifice some aspect in order to achieve a performance goal.

That's the way I looked at it too when the 110 was the only player. But then I started buying the STX. More durable and the fish like it better. So it seems, at least in this case, the design was perhaps pushed a little to far on the 110's.

[jeb]

I guess yuo can label everyone who owns tons of MB stuff fanboys as well.

Oh come on. You have the brand name in your id here! You've declared yourself a fanboy for all to see.

Nothing wrong that, I guess. But you can hardly get worked up about someone thinking your a bit biased towards the brand.

[damian_megabass]

Duzbass-No gripe with you bud,you make reasonable points and are quite articulate in doing so.Although I am judging the level of contact based upon viewing Jray's video,and it didnt look like he jerked too terribly hard to me.
Damian Megabass-No,I will not label everyone who owns Megabass gear as fanboys.But if they use the company name in their handle....? Now that is something else entirely.Further,what kind of response do you expect when you essentially come off saying I'm dumb,for speaking upon corporate greed?I think I was rather civil considering your level of conversational foolishness.And for the record,if you ever see me spell something incorrectly,you can well assume it is indeed the result of a typo.Can you say the same?Tell you what,how about you and I square off in a spelling bee.lmao Loser buys the winner a new boat...
JRaymond-'Tis all good man,just speaking upon what I believe..

Actually I never called you stupid personally I'm saying those two words are stupid all in it's self. I never make or have never made any personal attacks, especially a public forum. Just that fact that you had those words up twice within the same page gets me going. Those words are being thrown around way to dang much, ever since occupy wall street.

I'm sure you'd smoke me on a spelling bee so I'll pass.

If you actually read my posts I never really defended MB. I'll admit there maybe a problem but like I said before and keep on saying. Until it happens to me I'm keeping the bill issue as an open issue. Never meant for this to get "hostile" but it wouldn't make sense if a person who has never used or seen any MB lures in person to give opinions. I've had my fair share of Lucky Craft, Rapala, DEPS, Strike King, Bomber and Storm cranks and MB works for me andI'll stick to that!


To you and JEB regarding my name, sure I may have it but doesn't mean I'm a fanboy. I do use other lures too. Me get worked up about the name calling Not at all. Can me what you want I don't care, it's the internet, I don't take ting serious

[legendaryyaj]

I think the new batches are slipping QC. They don't come with split rings and then some of them have all the trebles barbless because the middle one is supposed to be. Seems like they are getting a bit sloppy on their end to meet the demands. I've been avoiding the newer boxed ones in favor of the older ones because there's been so much inconsistencies in the bait.

I've fished the Vision for years and have accidentally thrown the bait to hit walls and rocks but have never had a bill break on me. MB supposedly added some reinforcement to their bill construction but it doesn't seem to have solved the issue. They do have a guy that they recommend if you want your broken bait fixed. He uses a Smithwick Rogue bill and epoxies it onto the 110 but you have have to pay for the service and the Rogue which would equal up to quite a bit after shipping and all. I got all my info from MB USA themselves since I work in a tackle shop that sells these baits and have received broken baits back.

[CALL ME RIFLE]

lol,Damien,it's all good man..I generally enjoy your posts here and am sure you are a decent guy.Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it,at least that's the way I figure.There is no hostility,I simply reserve the right to talk a bit of smack if I am being talked smack to.. And simply for the record,when I mention corporate greed I refer essentially to lack of proper customer relations/service since it would cut into their bottom line...Although I am quite sure they could address issues and still be making money.That to me is corporate greed at it's finest.I believe companies should stand by their products,simple as that.In no way did I mean it in the skewed,socialist sense of the average Wall Street occupier,who feels that simply because someone or some entity makes money,they themselves are "owed" something..and hey, if you are feeling generous with those Visions- hell,throw a couple my way while you are at it

[Johnny A]

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In no way did I mean it in the skewed,socialist sense of the average Wall Street occupier,who feels that simply because someone or some entity makes money,they themselves are "owed" something..

Well, hot damn on a Ritz cracker we can agree on something! You never hear about "Government Greed" coming from the mouth of these parasites. If it weren't for the "hopey-changey" surtax, we'd be paying 20% less for these things anyway but that's getting a bit political, isn't it? Print, baby print!

[facelessnewsouth]

Dang, first the rod forum, and now here!?!?! Lets get off politics, cause I just got off yours...or wait...your mom's politics...no...that's not right......

Anyway, keep it clean guys, politics is dirty no matter which side your on.