Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

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Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by sarcazmo » Sat Nov 29, 2014 4:20 am

I need to get a few things out of the way. I don’t keep measurements on every rod I build, I prefer plain rod builds, dont get crazy with wraps or winding checks. I mostly build for myself, some for clients, and friends and family. I’m an avid fisherman, I try to get out at least once a week. I don’t fish many tournaments but I like to have nice equipment.

I’ve been in the market for some new rods and I’ve been pretty intrigued by the new Rainshadow blanks; specifically the Immortal and Eternity2 series. I couldn’t find much information on them on the web, so I decided to bite the bullet and order a couple to try for myself.

Not knowing anything about these blanks, I decided to contact Batson. I knew I wanted one to be a finesse spinning rod for drop shotting and shaky head techniques. One blank that caught my eye was the Eternity2 610M/XF spinning rod. It was very refreshing to talk to a sales person at Batson that was very candid with me. He actually talked me out of that particular model. He told me that during testing they had a few breaks due to improper handling, (high sticking, trying to boat flip big fish) and let me know it was a very technique specific blank. He pointed me into the direction of the 610M in the Immortal series for the aforementioned techniques. We also talked a bit about the Eternity series of rods. I mentioned that I really enjoy bottom contact techniques, especially texas rigs and jigs and he recommended the ETEC72M.

To be honest, I wasn’t really familiar with Batson or any of their different brand of products. The sales person let me know they basically produce everything to put a rod together, blanks, guides, grips, etc. Honestly I appreciated the way he approached it, he wasn’t pushy, there was no hard sell, we were just having a conversation.

After this conversation I figured I would build these blanks using only components supplied from Batson.

I went online to a dealer of their products and went ahead and placed my order.

If you looked at the rods I regularly carry on my boat, you’ll notice that they are very plain. They are all either raw blanks or blank, basic wraps, etc. I was a bit worried about the finished look of these blanks. I have to say I was quite impressed when I received my blanks. The Immortal series is a very nice subdued titanium color, and the Eternity series is a very rich cobalt blue kind of similar to the color on some St. Croix rods. It really does look stellar in person. Both finishes were flawless and I couldn’t find any imperfections.

I’ve always been a fan of Fuji guides. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it right? I didn’t know what to expect from the Alps/Forecast guides. For the Immortal series I used their SS spinning guides. These guides are quite nice. The larger sizes are pre filed/ground and wrapped very easily and nicely. The smaller sizes only required a minimal amount of prep work to be ready to be mounted. For the Eternity series I decided to buy their titanium guides. Just like the SS guides, they were pretty much ready to go. I didn’t notice any machining burrs and the smaller guides only require a minimum amount of prep. They also look pretty awesome on the cobalt blue blank. I haven’t fished with them long enough to comment on durability, but my initial impressions are very favorable.

For the spinning rod I used an Alps graphite split reel seat with dual nuts. Adding that extra locking not is a very nice touch and one that I appreciated. They also allow you to choose the color of your locking nut if you so desire.

My casting rod I decided to go with their Alps MVT casting seat. They tout this as being made of Toray graphite and MVT stands for Micro Vibration Transmission.. Like the spinning seat, this comes with a locking nut that is really nice and you can pick the color as well. I really like this reel seat. This kind of reminds me a little of the 13 reel seat. I realize the 13 seat is polarizing, and people seem to love it or hate it, but this Alps seat fits my hand very well and rests in a nice position. Whether or not it enhances sensitivity or increases vibration remains to be seen, and I’ll be able to judge better with more time on the water.

The spinning rod received Alps/Forecast eva graips. The EVA seems to be of very high quality and was easy to use. No complaints there.

For the casting rod I decided to use the Tapered carbon fiber grips. I really like these grips. Not only are they aesthetically pleasing but I really like the taper. I find it to be quite comfortable. I was a bit worried it might get a little too slippery when wet, but there’s just enough texture to alleviate that concern.

My overall impression on the components I used is very positive, and I will be using them again on future builds.

A quick note regarding the RainShadow Immortal IMMS72ML. While mocking the rod up I taped the tip top on. Apparently I didn’t tape it that well, because it was rattling around on the end. Those rattles created vibrations that were transmitted down the length of the blank. I understand this was something making direct contact with the blank, but they strength of the vibrations being transmitted down the entire blank was quite impressive.

Both rods also passed my ‘floor test.’ I tie on a round head jig and slowly drag it across the tile floor and close my eyes. You could easily tell the transition from tile floor to grout line with both blanks.

A quick note about these rod builds. While on the phone with the sales staff they mentioned the fact they publish blue prints for all of their rod blanks. Normally I wouldn’t put much faith into blueprints published by a manufacturer, but the sales person assured me they put a lot of work into these blue prints and assured me they weren’t just a generic setup. Both of these rods were built according to the blue prints published by batson.

The blueprints were pretty spot on, I may have moved a guide or two ever so slightly, but I was more than satisfied with the initial guide placement. The picture was taken with a Quantum Smoke 2500 series spinning reel and shows where the balance point on this particular rod ended up.


My first day on the water with these two rods was tough. The fish are chasing shad and can be graphed pretty much anywhere on the lake. It was a slow day, and I only ended up catching three fish, all on the RainShadow Immortal IMMS72ML using a drop shot. (wish I didn’t leave my spoons at home!) I really think this series is going to be special. The rod is SENSITIVE. You can easily tell what the bottom composition is, every rock, pebble, grasss etc. Bites were very easy to detect, even those subtle ‘mush’ bites. There’s enough tip on this rod to make nice casts, and it loads up solidly into the back bone for setting the hook and fighting the fish. I cast weights ranging from 1/8oz-5/16. It handled them with ease. I didn’t hook into any giants, big fish was probably ~3.5lbs, but I had no problem directing them and turning them. Keep in mind though this isn’t a heavy rod, and you won’t be boat bouncing any 8lbers with it. You still need to properly set your drag because you won’t be ‘muscling’ fish. I like this rod so much that I ordered the Eternity2 version! It will be interesting doing a head to head comparison. I also plan on using this for shaky heads if the situation calls for it, and have no doubts it will be more than capable for this task as well. One thing to note about this blank is that IMO it fishes more like a medium than a medium light.

There’s not much to say about the Eternity2 other than the fact that it did everything the Immortal did but better. This blank is sensitive, crisp, and seems to be very well made. The first fish I caught on this rod was pretty cool. I was throwing a 1/4oz texas rig. I felt it come through the grass and could tell it was at the grass line. I felt a quick tap, which I initially thought was possibly a very small panfish. I then felt a subtle pulling, set the hook, and landed this beauty. This rod is now my preferred texas rig and lighter jig rod. In fact, I liked it so much I ordered their MH version to throw heavier jigs with.

Both the rods are fast action with nice tips. Casting on both rods is a breeze and they both load up nicely into a really strong backbone.

I’ve built on and fished with a lot of different rods. GLX, NRX, St Croix, MHX Hi Mod, Lamiglas Infinity, X-Entity, Phenix K2 etc. These rods are the real deal. I didn’t feel like I was sacrificing anything by using these blanks. They offer tremendous performance at an incredible price point. The value these rods bring is amazing, and I think Batson/Rainshadow really did a fantastic job with these. I know everyone has certain brand loyalties, and thats a good thing. So is competition. I really think everyone should try these blanks.

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I'll try to get some more pics of the Immortal, I told my buddy I'd let him use it in a tournament and he hasn't given it back yet... [-X

Also, I know this isn't the most thorough or comprehensive review, so if you have any questions I'll try and answer them.

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by SmallSmallie » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:16 am

Thank you so much for the in-depth review of Batson parts!! I had good time reading it through... Didn't know they had carbon weaved rear grip :shock: :shock:

I didn't order the Batson Blanks this time but did order their EVA/Real Seat/Winding Check/Butt End/Hook Keeper . It should be arriving next week but would like to post some reviews as well since your post really helps me.

How is the power rating on both Immortal and Eternity? Are they over or under powered, or perhaps spot on? Do Blueprints include specification for spiral wrapping as well?

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by sarcazmo » Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:32 am

The IMMS72Ml is rated by batson as a medium light. I think its closer to a medium than a medium light, but still falls in between if that makes sense.

The ETEC72M feels like a medium to me.

The carbon grips are really nice. Obviously can be used as both a fore-grip and a rear grip. As I said I'm usually a plain guy but man, it just looks so good! For my MH I might get a custom split setup from riley rods, not sure yet.

The blueprints did not include specifications for spiral wrapping unfortunately. They were actually really cool to talk to on the phone. I'm sure if you called them up and suggested it they would seriously consider it. Hopefully they see it here also.

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by vinnieb729 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:28 am

Fantastic reviews! Rods look really slick!

For what it's worth, Getbit extended the Black Friday sale through today (Sat). The Immortal and the Eternity2 are 35% off…Alps reel seats are 25-35% off…some cork is 80% off and the Alps Titanium casting/spinning guides are 40% off…15% off regular priced items with code "gobble". There are other items on sale too.

You may have talked me into trying an Immortal out…my wife and wallet thank you 8-)

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by sarcazmo » Sat Nov 29, 2014 10:23 am

vinnieb729 wrote:Fantastic reviews! Rods look really slick!

For what it's worth, Getbit extended the Black Friday sale through today (Sat). The Immortal and the Eternity2 are 35% off…Alps reel seats are 25-35% off…some cork is 80% off and the Alps Titanium casting/spinning guides are 40% off…15% off regular priced items with code "gobble". There are other items on sale too.

You may have talked me into trying an Immortal out…my wife and wallet thank you 8-)
I saw the sale... If I didn't have another two waiting for me to put together I'm sure I would have taken advantage.

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by toddmc » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:35 pm

Thanks for the review. I'm glad the blue color of the Eternity is at least well done, but why did they need to make it blue? This eliminates a lot of customers like me. I would love to build an Eternity or even a high end St. Croix, but the color of their high end blanks is not my style. I wish they would offer it in a matte or black finish. I'm in the market to replace a few of my older bottom contact rods and I'm having trouble finding a blank to replace my two IMX 844's.

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by sarcazmo » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:46 pm

toddmc wrote:Thanks for the review. I'm glad the blue color of the Eternity is at least well done, but why did they need to make it blue? This eliminates a lot of customers like me. I would love to build an Eternity or even a high end St. Croix, but the color of their high end blanks is not my style. I wish they would offer it in a matte or black finish. I'm in the market to replace a few of my older bottom contact rods and I'm having trouble finding a blank to replace my two IMX 844's.
I hear you, and trust me, this was a MAJOR sticking point for me. I'm glad I pulled the trigger. Other than all the attention it gets its been great :big grin:

The Immortal is a pretty cool color as well, much more subdued.

I thought I read somewhere the only way to get a raw blank was if someone placed a minimum quantity order for them. Don't quote me on this, but I think I called Utmost and thats possibly what they said.

I'd be fore sure interested in raw blanks as well.

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by Hogsticker2 » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:20 pm

Vinnie built an Rx8+ for me a while back. Love the taper of this blank. Not the most sensitive stick I've fished, but it's plenty sensitive. The tex touch reel seat is very nice. It's what the Acs should have been. Not my quote, but spot on. If money permits I may try a new Eternity. Curious how the rx8+ and new rx9 compare. If you like throwing hard baits check out the popping blanks in the immortal line. Great blanks.

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Post by Batson-Brands » Tue Dec 02, 2014 4:45 am

Wow sarcazmo great writeup!! Im glad you like our products!

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by SmallSmallie » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:41 am

Just received the IMMS68MXF Immortal blank and found out that the tip top size is not 4.0..... I bought Fuji Micro 4.0 size and it does not fit as it's tad too small. Another Fuji 4.0 tip also does not fit. Is the Batson website misinformed? I'm pretty disappointed as I was going to build this rod for my friend's birthday which was on Friday and now it just happened to be that the tip top does not fit. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: I'm done, there is no way I can finish this by Friday morning. By the way, I ordered this on Black Friday so I did "try" to be plenty ready for time.... it's just that I've picked the wrong vendor.... jeez I'm never gonna do any service with getbit. EVER

BUT, it's a nice blank indeed.... \:D/

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by jimmyb » Thu Dec 18, 2014 1:34 am

gently sand the blank tip for the guide to fit...

most of the time it is just some resin/finish you are sanding off and it doesnt take much if the tube "is a tad too small"

For the record, i never believe tip sizes from manufacturers. I always get blanks in hand and measure. Both tips and seats

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by Batson-Brands » Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:28 am

SmallSmallie wrote:Just received the IMMS68MXF Immortal blank and found out that the tip top size is not 4.0..... I bought Fuji Micro 4.0 size and it does not fit as it's tad too small. Another Fuji 4.0 tip also does not fit. Is the Batson website misinformed? I'm pretty disappointed as I was going to build this rod for my friend's birthday which was on Friday and now it just happened to be that the tip top does not fit. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: I'm done, there is no way I can finish this by Friday morning. By the way, I ordered this on Black Friday so I did "try" to be plenty ready for time.... it's just that I've picked the wrong vendor.... jeez I'm never gonna do any service with getbit. EVER

BUT, it's a nice blank indeed.... \:D/
Thank you SmallSmallie on liking the blank!

First we are sorry that your tip top sizing is off.

Tip top sizing is always different from manufacturer to another. The ALPS tip tops are what we use to size most of our rod blanks. From time to time, we size other manufacturer of tip tops. Since we do not distribute other manufacturers tip tops, they reluctantly provide us with their entire lineup for obvious reasons ;)

That being said, you can sand the tip to make it fit. You will not damage the blank and you will not void the warranty ( unless you sanded it down way too much.) jimmyb is correct in saying that it is just part of the finish you are sanding off and it shouldn't take too much to fit if it is a tad too small.

Please let us know your experience on this lineup! We are sure you will love it!

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by smalliesteve » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:15 am

SmallSmallie wrote:Just received the IMMS68MXF Immortal blank and found out that the tip top size is not 4.0..... I bought Fuji Micro 4.0 size and it does not fit as it's tad too small. Another Fuji 4.0 tip also does not fit. Is the Batson website misinformed? I'm pretty disappointed as I was going to build this rod for my friend's birthday which was on Friday and now it just happened to be that the tip top does not fit. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: I'm done, there is no way I can finish this by Friday morning. By the way, I ordered this on Black Friday so I did "try" to be plenty ready for time.... it's just that I've picked the wrong vendor.... jeez I'm never gonna do any service with getbit. EVER

BUT, it's a nice blank indeed.... \:D/
Also I've taken to running a drill bit of the tiptops listed size up into the tube. I don't use a drill just twist by hand. I usually find that there's something in there like some glue build up or something. Not sure where it comes from in the manufacturing process, but so far every Fuji I've done this on has result in getting something out. It has made the difference between the tiptop being too tight to comfortably slide on and it fitting perfectly.

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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by SmallSmallie » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:38 am

Thank you all for some inputs!! I will try to use the drill bit trick once I come back from vacation. I will also make sure to buy tips in varying size for future case.

The rod is complete with exception of tip-top... but I can say that the balance of this rod is amazing with the following components:

Reel: Shimano Symetre 1000
Seat: Batson Split with Batson Rubber Winding Check, downlocking
Grip: Batson 7in EVA
Butt: Batson Rubber End with Aluminum Trim Piece
Guides: Fuji 16/10/5.5KL-H concept guides followed by 4.5 Fuji guides (8 + tip top)

The rod balances right on top of spinning reel face... amazing!!!!
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Re: Batson Immortal/Eternity Review/Impressions

Post by Batson-Brands » Fri Dec 19, 2014 3:41 am

SmallSmallie wrote:Thank you all for some inputs!! I will try to use the drill bit trick once I come back from vacation. I will also make sure to buy tips in varying size for future case.

The rod is complete with exception of tip-top... but I can say that the balance of this rod is amazing with the following components:

Reel: Shimano Symetre 1000
Seat: Batson Split with Batson Rubber Winding Check, downlocking
Grip: Batson 7in EVA
Butt: Batson Rubber End with Aluminum Trim Piece
Guides: Fuji 16/8/5.5KL-H concept guides followed by 4.5 Fuji guides (8 + tip top)

The rod balances right on top of spinning reel face... amazing!!!!
Great!! Give us at tackletour a review and take a pics!!

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