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Re: Product Insight : Zillion TWS a.k.a. Tatula Z?

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QUAKEnSHAKE wrote:
Tavery5 wrote:
Bootytrain wrote:
Tavery5 wrote:[quote="Bootytrain]
This, and if we give the same weight to the comparison test done here between the Zillion TWS and the Chronarch CI4 where the testing showed the Zillion TWS to be a better caster and equal to the Chronarch in pitching.

With this new insight basically saying the Zillion TWS and the Tatula are the same reels, with no real world difference shown by the free floating spool, would this not mean that I can purchase a 100 dollar Tatula and have a better caster and the equal pitching reel compared to the 280 dollar Chronarch?
Cals brake settings on the Chronarch for the distance test were almost 50% which is what he is comfortable with. Had he went down to one brake on and maybe 3-4 on the dial, the Chronarch would have won the distance portion too.
So your saying that an experienced angler like Cal needed to use 50% of the Chronarch's available braking to make it comfortable to cast with. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
Look in the thread of the test comparison to enlighten yourself.

I read it when it was released and I also seen your post to Cal stating much the same thing you did in your previous post as well as his reply. You and I both know that casting distance is way down on the totem pole of features that make for a nice reel. So I guess in my mind the point is probably not worth debating.[/quote]
Thought you were the one going on about casting pitching distance so it must be of some importance to you. I do know a tat cant hang with a ci4 tossing 1/8oz spinnerbaits[/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote]

Not at all, I was only stating what has been said in the many different reviews, comparisons and other articles written here. One of the first was the comparison of the Tatula to the Tatula Type R. The result of this article was that most of the differences were cosmetic and that the difference in weight between the two spools did not create a discernable difference in casting distance. The result was that the Type R was not worth the difference in price unless you liked the cosmetics.
The next article was a head to head between the Zillion TWS and the Chronarch CI4. Some of the items that were tested to decide which was the better reel was casting distance and pitching. The results were that the Tatula was the better casting reel in terms of distance and that they were equal in pitching abilities.
The final article was the one that started this thread in which Cal states that the Zillion TWS is truthfully just a Tatula with some upgrades and is not the new platform that Daiwa was telling their salesmen to pitch.

If you follow the thread through these articles you will see that the Zillion TWS was the equal of the Chronarch in pitching and was the winner in distance, also stated in another article is that the Zillion TWS is really just a Tatula, and in another article the difference between the two versions of the Tatula is mostly cosmetic with not real difference in casting distance.

With all this said, it only makes since that the regular Tatula since it is the equal to the Type R and the new Zillion TWS with its free floating spool shows not marked improvement over the Tatula in casting distance that they are all each other equals with only small upgrades between them. The head to head test between the Zillion and Chronarch showed that it had better casting distance and equal in pitching ability, so since all the TWS reels have basically no difference in casting abilities as reported by the reviewer. My thought is that I can purchase a 100 dollar Tatula and it be the better casting reel in terms of distance and equal in terms of pitching to the Chronarch.

This is not my opinion, all of this is written here in reviews and head to head comparisons.
Do I believe it, maybe, maybe not. And for your statement about 1/8 once spinnerbaits, neither of the reels were tested at that weight in any of the articles I read, so you may be entirely correct.
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Re: Product Insight : Zillion TWS a.k.a. Tatula Z?

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Tavery5 wrote:I read it when it was released and I also seen your post to Cal stating much the same thing you did in your previous post as well as his reply. You and I both know that casting distance is way down on the totem pole of features that make for a nice reel. So I guess in my mind the point is probably not worth debating.
You can only speak for yourself as to what you value in a reel. I value casting distance, aesthetic, and ergonomics.I don't have a boat like Cal does so I have to cover as much water from shore as I can in many of my fishing situations. I don't know Cals casting capabilities but he stated he leans towards the brake heavy side. he stated that casting distance was equal but the Zillion took less effort based on what he equated to 30% of brake force on each reel. I pointed out that his settings on the Chronarch was closer to 50% of braking force yet it equaled the Zillion with the dial set to 6. I pointed out that with a lure like the LV500 he could have easily went to one brake and added an easy 10 yards to his cast and the spool would still be controllable. How do I know? I do it regularly with lighter lipless cranks on my Curado and Metanium which both outcast my Tatula R.
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Re: Product Insight : Zillion TWS a.k.a. Tatula Z?

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and I stated... somewhere ...that I always work Shimano brakes in pairs. Nevertheless any setting lighter than what I had that day on either reel resulted in a little fluff on the spool. There was a slight cross wind.

Speaking of the Tatula. Let's not overlook the fact this is a very nice reel especially for its price point. But when consumers are looking at reels like the Zillion and Chronarch platforms, they're looking for a bit more than just pure performance. They are looking for refinement together with that performance. The Tatula is not as refined as the Chronarch. That comparison is easy.
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Bootytrain wrote:
Tavery5 wrote:I read it when it was released and I also seen your post to Cal stating much the same thing you did in your previous post as well as his reply. You and I both know that casting distance is way down on the totem pole of features that make for a nice reel. So I guess in my mind the point is probably not worth debating.
You can only speak for yourself as to what you value in a reel. I value casting distance, aesthetic, and ergonomics.I don't have a boat like Cal does so I have to cover as much water from shore as I can in many of my fishing situations. I don't know Cals casting capabilities but he stated he leans towards the brake heavy side. he stated that casting distance was equal but the Zillion took less effort based on what he equated to 30% of brake force on each reel. I pointed out that his settings on the Chronarch was closer to 50% of braking force yet it equaled the Zillion with the dial set to 6. I pointed out that with a lure like the LV500 he could have easily went to one brake and added an easy 10 yards to his cast and the spool would still be controllable. How do I know? I do it regularly with lighter lipless cranks on my Curado and Metanium which both outcast my Tatula R.
My apology, I can see where an extra few feet might make a difference to someone that is shore bound.
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Re: Product Insight : Zillion TWS a.k.a. Tatula Z?

Post by africanbass »

Great review =D>
I have a tatula R that I enjoy,great reel for the price.However,I have not had the urge to purchase any more.
Was curious about the new Zillion,I will now save some cash for other purchases.
Thanks :D
Daiwa got this one wrong.
Sad because the new Zillion would be great value if it didn't have a cheaper over achieving sibling :lol:
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If the Zillion TWS was released a year before the Tatula, I wonder if opinions would be different?
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Why would this surprise anyone?? You can pick them up and tell the platform and reel are basically identical. What did people expect to find gold gears :lol:
Eerily similar to Shim's painting the Curado white and calling it a Chronarch, you would think they would learn from the publics reaction to that stunt. I think this has everything to do with the yen being in the toilet. Daiwa is going the wrong direction as of late...thus my obsession with rounding up all the NIB Megabass versions of classic Daiwa platforms.
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Re: Product Insight : Zillion TWS a.k.a. Tatula Z?

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Bootytrain wrote:
Tavery5 wrote:I read it when it was released and I also seen your post to Cal stating much the same thing you did in your previous post as well as his reply. You and I both know that casting distance is way down on the totem pole of features that make for a nice reel. So I guess in my mind the point is probably not worth debating.
You can only speak for yourself as to what you value in a reel. I value casting distance, aesthetic, and ergonomics.I don't have a boat like Cal does so I have to cover as much water from shore as I can in many of my fishing situations. I don't know Cals casting capabilities but he stated he leans towards the brake heavy side. he stated that casting distance was equal but the Zillion took less effort based on what he equated to 30% of brake force on each reel. I pointed out that his settings on the Chronarch was closer to 50% of braking force yet it equaled the Zillion with the dial set to 6. I pointed out that with a lure like the LV500 he could have easily went to one brake and added an easy 10 yards to his cast and the spool would still be controllable. How do I know? I do it regularly with lighter lipless cranks on my Curado and Metanium which both outcast my Tatula R.
After you coach Cal up, can you give me a casting lesson? :lol:
Expert braking advice needed!!
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much like shimano when they painted the curado and called it the new chronarch...what a freakin disappointment...u'd think daiwa would learn from shimano's mistake
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trent_s wrote:
Bootytrain wrote:
Tavery5 wrote:I read it when it was released and I also seen your post to Cal stating much the same thing you did in your previous post as well as his reply. You and I both know that casting distance is way down on the totem pole of features that make for a nice reel. So I guess in my mind the point is probably not worth debating.
You can only speak for yourself as to what you value in a reel. I value casting distance, aesthetic, and ergonomics.I don't have a boat like Cal does so I have to cover as much water from shore as I can in many of my fishing situations. I don't know Cals casting capabilities but he stated he leans towards the brake heavy side. he stated that casting distance was equal but the Zillion took less effort based on what he equated to 30% of brake force on each reel. I pointed out that his settings on the Chronarch was closer to 50% of braking force yet it equaled the Zillion with the dial set to 6. I pointed out that with a lure like the LV500 he could have easily went to one brake and added an easy 10 yards to his cast and the spool would still be controllable. How do I know? I do it regularly with lighter lipless cranks on my Curado and Metanium which both outcast my Tatula R.
After you coach Cal up, can you give me a casting lesson? :lol:
Expert braking advice needed!!
Sure! Let me know when you are off your period and Ill be glad to help! :lol:
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Chode wrote:much like shimano when they painted the curado and called it the new chronarch...what a freakin disappointment...u'd think daiwa would learn from shimano's mistake
A strange business decision? yes, mistake? no.. the Curado/Chronarch E still sold like hotcakes. Cant say that about the Zillion.
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Casting distance isn't important unless your buddy is reaching the school fish before you can. :lol:
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BigG wrote:Casting distance isn't important unless your buddy is reaching the school fish before you can. :lol:
You can use "boat control" for more than 1 thing..... :D
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Re: Product Insight : Zillion TWS a.k.a. Tatula Z?

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Tavery5 wrote:
So your saying that an experienced angler like Cal needed to use 50% of the Chronarch's available braking to make it comfortable to cast with. Not exactly a ringing endorsement.
trent_s wrote:
Wait seriously??! If anything the new system is harder to backlash...it's still centrifigul force, but now with even finer tuning. Shims are almost impossible to backlash as it is, my 10 year old niece can cast them all day, she picks up a Daiwa and it's a mess after one cast. This is the oddest comment I've ever seen :-$ My Shims won't backlash unless you try, that's why I use them for night fishing...get out a high end tuned Daiwa and tell me how educated that thumb is.
And the Ci4 I had was IMPOSSIBLE to backlash unless...I imagine you literally turned the main brake off!
Well apparently trent_bs 10yo niece has Cal beat in the casting department maybe thats who should be giving lessons. A wonderful ringing endorsement for Shimano reels.
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BigG wrote:Casting distance isn't important unless your buddy is reaching the school fish before you can. :lol:
Casting distance can be very important when fishing for spooky fish in super clear water like we have in this part of Arkansas.
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