Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by domthewon » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:09 pm

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poisonokie wrote:
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hoohoorjoo wrote:Most guys here would never give that family of reels a second look, due to the out-sourcing of the construction to a Chinese OEM company. Daiwa collaborated on the design and spec's, but they are 100% "hecho en Chine".
Im well aware about TT standards, but i was generally speaking. You don't hear about these reels anywhere. Be it youtube, other forums etc
I was just thinking the same thing the other day. I'm glad they flopped.
Im glad as well. We can't have Daiwa going Korea/China route.
Seriously. If it was successful they would be throwing out a tw version this year for $50- 100 more and raise the price on the tatulas to $300. Pure junk.

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by LowRange » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:01 pm

Houndfish wrote:
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That's awesome :lol: Yeah, Fuego CT is an under appreciated reel in general. I can't think of a better reel available in that $100 price range, it's really fantastic. Fortunately, we've been able to get them in a lot of hands and the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive...
Do you know if a NRC002 PG spool will work in a Fuego CT?

If so that could be a hell of a $200 reel.
Nope. Your best bet would be for one of the deeper DIY Long Cast spools. You could pick up a Fuego CT and the spool for under $100. Not bad.

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by Houndfish » Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:51 pm

LowRange wrote: Nope. Your best bet would be for one of the deeper DIY Long Cast spools. You could pick up a Fuego CT and the spool for under $100. Not bad.
That is an interesting idea. Right now I have neon 30lb braid on them but if I want to use them and their rods (a pair of Fenwick ET Smallmouth MH/F) for bass I would want to move to heavier braid or mono, so having spare spools is reasonable.

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by M Perry » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:52 pm

Don't assume everyone using them will post on TT and other sites. Lots of HS kids, college anglers, budget minded type anglers are using them. I have heard very few complaints etc on them from dealers and customers.

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Post by hoohoorjoo » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:04 pm

M Perry wrote:Don't assume everyone using them will post on TT and other sites. Lots of HS kids, college anglers, budget minded type anglers are using them. I have heard very few complaints etc on them from dealers and customers.
Could it be that there haven't been many complaints because they haven't sold many? Looking at completed listings on that auction site, I'm not even seeing many sold there. Pretty sure if folks arent buying at the discounted price on the bay, they arent paying full price at brick and mortar stores, either.
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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by SSS » Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:07 pm

M Perry wrote:Don't assume everyone using them will post on TT and other sites. Lots of HS kids, college anglers, budget minded type anglers are using them. I have heard very few complaints etc on them from dealers and customers.
those are most likely using a Black Max for their local Walmart.

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by Montanaro » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:37 pm

I was told in no uncertain terms by a respected member of another forum that the Fuego Ct was a "garbage reel" aka use it and throw it in trash when done....yet I have sold Daiwa T3 1016s in favor of the Fuego...

So I wont discount these new Daiwa reels....hell maybe I will buy one and give it a go.

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Post by Finnz922 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:52 am

Montanaro wrote:I was told in no uncertain terms by a respected member of another forum that the Fuego Ct was a "garbage reel" aka use it and throw it in trash when done....yet I have sold Daiwa T3 1016s in favor of the Fuego...

So I wont discount these new Daiwa reels....hell maybe I will buy one and give it a go.
That respected member must be a reel snob. The Fuego CT is a workhorse. It is as solid as the OG Zillion. Not as refined, but a workhorse nonetheless. I have 4 of them and the are tanks.
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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by hoohoorjoo » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:45 am

Montanaro wrote:I was told in no uncertain terms by a respected member of another forum that the Fuego Ct was a "garbage reel" aka use it and throw it in trash when done....yet I have sold Daiwa T3 1016s in favor of the Fuego...

So I wont discount these new Daiwa reels....hell maybe I will buy one and give it a go.
You're comparing apples to oranges with the Fuego CT vs the series of reels the OP mentioned. The Fuego CT is actually built by Daiwa in a Daiwa factory, and it has an aluminum frame. The other series is built in China by a 3rd party, and has a "graphite" (read plastic) frame. If you do decide to buy one, come back and let us know how the reel feels after a season of hard fishing.
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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by SSS » Fri Feb 15, 2019 8:48 am

hoohoorjoo wrote:
Montanaro wrote:I was told in no uncertain terms by a respected member of another forum that the Fuego Ct was a "garbage reel" aka use it and throw it in trash when done....yet I have sold Daiwa T3 1016s in favor of the Fuego...

So I wont discount these new Daiwa reels....hell maybe I will buy one and give it a go.
You're comparing apples to oranges with the Fuego CT vs the series of reels the OP mentioned. The Fuego CT is actually built by Daiwa in a Daiwa factory, and it has an aluminum frame. The other series is built in China by a 3rd party, and has a "graphite" (read plastic) frame. If you do decide to buy one, come back and let us know how the reel feels after a season of hard fishing.
Exactly what i was gonna say. the Fuego and the CG/CC/CR aren't even in the same cathegory. These Chinese Daiwas are much more comparable to the crappy KastKing, Piscifun and the rest of the no-name garbage.

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by M Perry » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:10 am

hoohoorjoo wrote:
M Perry wrote:Don't assume everyone using them will post on TT and other sites. Lots of HS kids, college anglers, budget minded type anglers are using them. I have heard very few complaints etc on them from dealers and customers.
Could it be that there haven't been many complaints because they haven't sold many? Looking at completed listings on that auction site, I'm not even seeing many sold there. Pretty sure if folks arent buying at the discounted price on the bay, they arent paying full price at brick and mortar stores, either.

You guys are underestimating the crappie and panfish market as well. These reels are becoming very popular within those groups as well. There are large demographic groups outside of the bass fishing realm as well. A lot of those anglers choose value minded products and these reels are in that wheel house.

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by hoohoorjoo » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:31 am

^While this is very true, Im not as sure about their popularity as you seem to be, and I'm judging by completed listings on that auction site, as well as my initial impressions of the CC80 in-hand while in a brick-and-mortar store. There are some tried-and-true products out there for around the same real street prices of these reels, and those other choices are Korean-made, not China. Baitcast reels like the Lews Speed Spool can be had for about $75 and the Fuego CT can be had for around $65 (and with aluminum frames, no less). Heck, even the Black Max 3 is a solid reel at $35. These reels arent primarliy used to cast in those scenarios-rather, they are used to troll artificial baits like smaller cranks and hair jigs for large slab crappie. An aluminum frame is a luxury, rather than a necessity for that application. But why pay around $60 for a polymer frame reel like the Daiwa, when reputable reels like the Black Max 3 can be had for much less? I am a Daiwa guy through and through, but cant see buying an unproven platform for almost twice the money as the $35 Black Max, or even the $30 Ultra Max-especially if you are crappie fishing with them.
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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by M Perry » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:09 pm

hoohoorjoo wrote:^While this is very true, Im not as sure about their popularity as you seem to be, and I'm judging by completed listings on that auction site, as well as my initial impressions of the CC80 in-hand while in a brick-and-mortar store. There are some tried-and-true products out there for around the same real street prices of these reels, and those other choices are Korean-made, not China. Baitcast reels like the Lews Speed Spool can be had for about $75 and the Fuego CT can be had for around $65 (and with aluminum frames, no less). Heck, even the Black Max 3 is a solid reel at $35. These reels arent primarliy used to cast in those scenarios-rather, they are used to troll artificial baits like smaller cranks and hair jigs for large slab crappie. An aluminum frame is a luxury, rather than a necessity for that application. But why pay around $60 for a polymer frame reel like the Daiwa, when reputable reels like the Black Max 3 can be had for much less? I am a Daiwa guy through and through, but cant see buying an unproven platform for almost twice the money as the $35 Black Max, or even the $30 Ultra Max-especially if you are crappie fishing with them.
For whatever reasons the reels have gained a following in crappie circles etc. While there are other choices it seems some have taken a liking to these. Enough so that they remain in the catalog and you might see more expanded offerings within the price point. In addition more big box shops may carry them soon.

As I said initially the big picture in regards to customer base for these cannot be displayed simply by number of them you see in classifieds section or charter on here. Tons of anglers never log on to social media of any type so websites like this are not the sole way to gauge customer base.

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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by hoohoorjoo » Fri Feb 22, 2019 3:50 pm

M Perry wrote:
hoohoorjoo wrote:^While this is very true, Im not as sure about their popularity as you seem to be, and I'm judging by completed listings on that auction site, as well as my initial impressions of the CC80 in-hand while in a brick-and-mortar store. There are some tried-and-true products out there for around the same real street prices of these reels, and those other choices are Korean-made, not China. Baitcast reels like the Lews Speed Spool can be had for about $75 and the Fuego CT can be had for around $65 (and with aluminum frames, no less). Heck, even the Black Max 3 is a solid reel at $35. These reels arent primarliy used to cast in those scenarios-rather, they are used to troll artificial baits like smaller cranks and hair jigs for large slab crappie. An aluminum frame is a luxury, rather than a necessity for that application. But why pay around $60 for a polymer frame reel like the Daiwa, when reputable reels like the Black Max 3 can be had for much less? I am a Daiwa guy through and through, but cant see buying an unproven platform for almost twice the money as the $35 Black Max, or even the $30 Ultra Max-especially if you are crappie fishing with them.
As I said initially the big picture in regards to customer base for these cannot be displayed simply by number of them you see in classifieds section or charter on here. Tons of anglers never log on to social media of any type so websites like this are not the sole way to gauge customer base.
Again, not trying to argue the point, since I am a Daiwa guy myself and I want them to succeed in everything they do. But past historical data does indicate that the auction site's sales are at least a somewhat accurate watermark to gauge popularity of non-enthusiast offerings. I know several people who work in the industry, from pro fishermen, to dealers and retailers. I was told directly by a Daiwa rep that total sales of the 3 variants of this series to the target comsumer base, i.e., bass fishermen, have been 'quite disappointing' and have 'fell well below the mark'. A local big box retailer actually quit carrying them because of lackluster sales. This is what I was told by people I know and trust. I certainly hope that what you say regarding the crappie fishermen is true. If you disagree with me, then that's your prerogative. I harbor no ill will regarding this, and I consider it lively debate. Please dont take it any other way, as the tone of a post can be easily misconstrued and lost in translation on the interwebs.
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Re: Was the Daiwa CG CC CR 80's a colossal failure to Daiwa?

Post by M Perry » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:59 pm

hoohoorjoo wrote:
M Perry wrote:
hoohoorjoo wrote:^While this is very true, Im not as sure about their popularity as you seem to be, and I'm judging by completed listings on that auction site, as well as my initial impressions of the CC80 in-hand while in a brick-and-mortar store. There are some tried-and-true products out there for around the same real street prices of these reels, and those other choices are Korean-made, not China. Baitcast reels like the Lews Speed Spool can be had for about $75 and the Fuego CT can be had for around $65 (and with aluminum frames, no less). Heck, even the Black Max 3 is a solid reel at $35. These reels arent primarliy used to cast in those scenarios-rather, they are used to troll artificial baits like smaller cranks and hair jigs for large slab crappie. An aluminum frame is a luxury, rather than a necessity for that application. But why pay around $60 for a polymer frame reel like the Daiwa, when reputable reels like the Black Max 3 can be had for much less? I am a Daiwa guy through and through, but cant see buying an unproven platform for almost twice the money as the $35 Black Max, or even the $30 Ultra Max-especially if you are crappie fishing with them.
As I said initially the big picture in regards to customer base for these cannot be displayed simply by number of them you see in classifieds section or charter on here. Tons of anglers never log on to social media of any type so websites like this are not the sole way to gauge customer base.
Again, not trying to argue the point, since I am a Daiwa guy myself and I want them to succeed in everything they do. But past historical data does indicate that the auction site's sales are at least a somewhat accurate watermark to gauge popularity of non-enthusiast offerings. I know several people who work in the industry, from pro fishermen, to dealers and retailers. I was told directly by a Daiwa rep that total sales of the 3 variants of this series to the target comsumer base, i.e., bass fishermen, have been 'quite disappointing' and have 'fell well below the mark'. A local big box retailer actually quit carrying them because of lackluster sales. This is what I was told by people I know and trust. I certainly hope that what you say regarding the crappie fishermen is true. If you disagree with me, then that's your prerogative. I harbor no ill will regarding this, and I consider it lively debate. Please dont take it any other way, as the tone of a post can be easily misconstrued and lost in translation on the interwebs.
No explanation needed. You are just stating an opinion. Sometimes people see things differently and that's great. If we all agreed all the time it would he a boring place. I will say I have a little background with Daiwa for the last 12-13 years. Been working shows and such for them during that time. Working one tommorrow actually.

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