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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by jvelth74 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:53 am

I had a problem to decide of what line to put to RCS2014. And therefore made comparisons. I was sure that I have good line to it and not needed to buy. But it wasn’t so easy. ‘0.17 mm’ / 35 lb Stealth Smooth was a little bit too thick and ‘0.16 mm’ 31 lb Morethan was way too thin for my intended use (Seatrout). 0.18 mm / 35 lbs Morethan 12 might be just perfect but I don’t have that line.

0.16 / 31 lbs Morethan 12 would needed backing which would not be issue, but that line seemed too thin to handle in this use I thought.

0.17 mm / 35 lb Stealth smooth was actually that thick this RCS2014 spool took it only 100 m, which is a little bit too little for casting bombarda. But I spooled those for RCS2014. Lets see do I use it tomorrow or not.

I took macro picture of double Uni (Braid to mono backing / lock to spool.) Mono is 0.25 mm thick. In this picture can be seen that ‘0.17 mm’ Stealth Smooth is a little bit thicker, maybe something 0.30 mm actually. Which is commonly known that Stealth Smooth is much thicker than labelled.
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Macro of Smooth8 to mono
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In capacity comparison show that RCS2014 capacity is same as I’ze HLC capacity (which is same as 100M spool).
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Line comparison lines to I'ze HLC 34 mm spool
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Line comparison lines to RCS2014 spool
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I scaled full spools. I’ze HLC 34 mm spool weighted 22.2 grams:
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I'ze HLC 34 mm
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OG HLC Zillion 36 mm spool weighted (mono) 26.6 grams:
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OG HLC 36 mm
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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by jvelth74 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:57 am

RCS2014 weighted 24.2 grams:
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and RCS2020 (near full) weigted 25.2 grams:
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I local store was on sale GoPro Sportsman mounts, which was cheap as GoPro product. Mount is very sturdy.
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It was hard to find place for GoPro in rod handle. This place was best I could find. But still it isn't good to use for long time.

And yes, Z1016 would be nice reel indeed!

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by jvelth74 » Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:50 pm

My Z2020 casts decently but vines something like need a little bit care or something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfVD7GJS5dc

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by SSS » Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:22 pm

jvelth74 wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:50 pm
My Z2020 casts decently but vines something like need a little bit care or something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfVD7GJS5dc
If you have metal bearings, they may be dry. Clean and reoil. Dry metal bearings will do that noise, vibrate laterally and decrease casting distance.

My z spools the whole spool of 40lb jbraid on 2.5oz musky lures. Easily one of the furthest casting reels i've had.

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by jvelth74 » Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:08 am

SSS wrote:
Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:22 pm
If you have metal bearings, they may be dry. Clean and reoil. Dry metal bearings will do that noise, vibrate laterally and decrease casting distance.

My z spools the whole spool of 40lb jbraid on 2.5oz musky lures. Easily one of the furthest casting reels i've had.
Looks like those are original steel bearings. When dryied reel in warm shover room, it felt like spool is a little stucked. My strong guess is that bearings are corroded and pretty much done. But I'm going to order ceramic hybrids...

....Z2020 is really good caster, regardless of that mine one currently has obvious issue in bearings...

Seems like Z2020 has 3x4x4 mm + 5x11x4 mm spool bearings. Maybe I firstly try to borrow one bearing from Steez 103 spool and another from CT Alphas...

In that video above it's original spool. And 0.20 mm (44 lbs?) and if I remember correct it's 150 m in spool. In point 0:55 in video knot comes in. I didn't remember that before I casted. I took line from 34 mm I'Ze HLC spool and spooled as backing new line and knotted pieces. As I remember correct it was 90 - 100 m line in I'Ze HLC. If so, ~120 m was line out. Maybe 90 - 100 m cast?

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by goldrod » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:37 pm

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by LowRange » Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:39 am

I'm curious about capacity and braking profile of the TD Zillion HLC and Z spool. How much more capacity is there in the Z spool if any?

I kept insta spooling my TD Zillion spool in a MB IP of 50# braid with an 11/16 oz frog. In my quest for a bigger TD Zillion HLC for my Huyga 72H throwing 1 oz frogs and other 1 oz compact baits on 65# braid I went for Zillion TW HD with a Catalina spool. This has the added benefit of the stock deep fixed indicator spool and TWS for handling 20# big game mono for big baits up to 3oz. The Catalina spool is impressive and can empty itself of 65# braid with a 7/8 oz Zoom hollow body. I always imagined the Z would be the next step up over the Zillion TW HD for big baits but those spools look tiny. How much more capacity is there over a TD Zillion?

Sorta off topic, but where is the new Zillion TW HD replacement Daiwa? Give us a big 1516 spool in a new Zillion sized reel please. The old one was huge relative to the spool size. I swear my Catalina spool HD only has 10% more capacity than a Curado 200k but looks like it is 25% larger or something. Also where is the enthusiast tier big bait low profile? All we got is a Tatula 300. Zillion 1016, Zillion 1516 and Zillion 200 or 300. Let's go Daiwa.
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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by jvelth74 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:00 am

LowRange wrote:
Thu Oct 14, 2021 6:39 am
I'm curious about capacity and braking profile of the TD Zillion HLC and Z spool. How much more capacity is there in the Z spool if any?
Do you mean original HLC Zillion spool vs. Z2020 spool?
Yes, in Z2020 is bigger line capacity. I have't measured how big difference in line capacity is.
There is HLC spings in Z2020 spools I have. Another one is second hand but another is new. Obvious HLC spring is in standard in Z2020 spools.
In OG HLC Zillion inductor travel is slightly bigger in other spools, and when inductor is retracted in original HLC, then brake is pretty much off.
Z2020 spool is in my opinion just ordinary spool, just stiff spring and capable to long cast.
Original HLC is in my opinion just a extraordinary spool. It's is only for long power casts.

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by LowRange » Fri Oct 29, 2021 1:42 pm

Interesting that the US market Z got a heavier spool with a thinner inductor.

Are these inductor springs really HLC springs or just stiffer than normal Magforce Z springs? I don't have my Z200 in yet. I am aware of at least 3 springs that were in use across various reels before they made everything SV. The soft common Magforce Z found in spools like the Tatula, 1010, 1016 and many more I'm sure then there is a stiffer spring that is still softer than the HLC. I have found these in my Catalina TW spool, T3 Balistic/MX spools and LIN10 spools (possibly old Ryoga 1016 too?). I have two HLC springs in my TD Zillion spool and one I put in a Zonda spool to make Alphas HLC.
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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by LowRange » Sat Oct 30, 2021 5:51 pm

Some pics comparing the Z200, Zillion TW HD and old Tatula 100 Type R. I can confirm that the Z200 spool has a stiff spring. Not HLC stiff but that 2nd tier stiffness. My list of spools with this spring from my collection are:

Z200
Catalina TW
T3 MX/Balistic
IP68/79
LIN10

As a side note both the LIN10 and IP spools get a short length but thick inductor. These are heavy braking spools able to tame big baits and thick line. The IP spools are also very light weight and very skip friendly MagZ spools. You can treat them like deep SV spools for OG Zillions.

Z200 on the Hyuga 72H
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Zillion TW HD on the Huyga 72H
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Zillion TW HD and Z200

Palming wise the Z200 palms like an old Tatula or Zillion TWS/TW HD. It palms a little longer and taller but the width is the same. Its comfortable for a big as it is. It's not quite as square shaped up front when wrapping a finger around the nose plate. There is no dial rough edges to rub tour finger like the old Tatulas.

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Zillion TW HD and old Tatula Type R (same as current Tatula 150/200)

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Spool comparisons. Z200, Catalina TW and old Tatula Type R.
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All spools are the same width with the Tatula being 34mm, the Catalina TW being 36mm and the Z200 a 38mm spool. The Z200 spool reminds me of a bigger, deeper Catalina TW spool in a reel with Magforce Z 3D. Monstrous. I love the way the Catalina TW spools bombs big frogs and plopper on 65# braid but is inexplicably shallow meaning despite being a 36mm it has the same capacity as the old Tatula 34mm! It spools of 65# braid from full on the Hyuga with a 3/4 oz plopper 110 distance casting. This is where the Z200 steps in. This is why I have been in the market for one. Long bomb deep mag cranks on braid on long cast. Turn up the brakes and toss big baits up to an untertemnined size. If I want heavy mono or flouro I have the Zillion HD stock spool and TWS to handle that. If I need capacity beyond that I can get a Tatula 200.

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by LowRange » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:25 am

I did something ridiculous with mine. I hear the paint peels on these easily and they look like the top plate and side plates would take a wrap really well. I didn't remove the top plate because I didnt have a screwdriver I needed so this was a poor attempt at a wrap with the top plate on but it demonstrates that it can be done. Tempted to have another go at this with a heat gun to smooth out the wrinkles and I might even plasti dip spray the handle side plate. I could even do a new color and wrap every season. This might allow me to hook hang on the top cover if the vyinl can take it. I dont like big baits sitting on the blank and their hooks grabbing all the neighboring rods. Basically protect the paint finish and resale of the like new reel and have some creative fun. Might even go the heat shrink grip cover route for the Super Destruction I have coming for it.
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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by goldrod » Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:51 am

LowRange wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:25 am
I did something ridiculous with mine. I hear the paint peels on these easily and they look like the top plate and side plates would take a wrap really well. I didn't remove the top plate because I didnt have a screwdriver I needed so this was a poor attempt at a wrap with the top plate on but it demonstrates that it can be done. Tempted to have another go at this with a heat gun to smooth out the wrinkles and I might even plasti dip spray the handle side plate. I could even do a new color and wrap every season. This might allow me to hook hang on the top cover if the vyinl can take it. I dont like big baits sitting on the blank and their hooks grabbing all the neighboring rods. Basically protect the paint finish and resale of the like new reel and have some creative fun. Might even go the heat shrink grip cover route for the Super Destruction I have coming for it.
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Man that looks awesome
I was going to buy one yesterday but I went to sleep
If I had a reasonable price for a paint job I’d get a paint job of epic proportions 😂
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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by LowRange » Thu Nov 04, 2021 1:11 pm

goldrod wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:51 am
LowRange wrote:
Thu Nov 04, 2021 6:25 am
I did something ridiculous with mine. I hear the paint peels on these easily and they look like the top plate and side plates would take a wrap really well. I didn't remove the top plate because I didnt have a screwdriver I needed so this was a poor attempt at a wrap with the top plate on but it demonstrates that it can be done. Tempted to have another go at this with a heat gun to smooth out the wrinkles and I might even plasti dip spray the handle side plate. I could even do a new color and wrap every season. This might allow me to hook hang on the top cover if the vyinl can take it. I dont like big baits sitting on the blank and their hooks grabbing all the neighboring rods. Basically protect the paint finish and resale of the like new reel and have some creative fun. Might even go the heat shrink grip cover route for the Super Destruction I have coming for it.
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Man that looks awesome
I was going to buy one yesterday but I went to sleep
If I had a reasonable price for a paint job I’d get a paint job of epic proportions 😂
Got mine Z200H like new in box never used for $275 in the classifieds. Its really scratchy and dry feeling when I turn the handle. Feels like a Fuego CT. Gotta fix that.

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by Real Pudd legend » Fri Nov 05, 2021 3:27 pm

Pm sent Lowrange.

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Re: Daiwa Z2020

Post by dragon1 » Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:48 pm

Bump...

Anyone done any other mods and tuning to the Z2020/Z200 aside cosmetics and bearings? Also, what aftermarket spools are currently available?

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