To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

A specialized forum to discuss anything and everything about your favorite or not so favorite fishing rods.

To Spiral or Not to Spiral... what say ye?

What's a spiral wrap?
6
7%
Tried it, don't like it, I prefer to be on top
13
14%
Won't try it, can't look at it, way too funky
11
12%
Haven't tried one yet, but I'm interested
24
27%
YES!
36
40%
 
Total votes: 90

User avatar
Cal
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 12762
Joined: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:31 pm
Location: TT Headquarters
Contact:

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by Cal » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:11 am

I am quite surprised by this result so far :big grin: !
Cal, Managing Editor
"fish with mindfulness : beware the darkside"

User avatar
Hogsticker2
Pro Angler
Pro Angler
Posts: 7161
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:20 pm

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by Hogsticker2 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:29 pm

nvbroncrider wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:50 am
All my casting rods I’ve built are spiral. 6RV strippers then your pick of 5.5-4 to the tip. I like the 5’s the best. They cast great. Doesn’t matter the blank. Key to casting distance is the blank loading and unloading properly. I’ve ran these rods using an array of techniques and I don’t notice any difference between them. You definitely don’t wrap your tip with braid with spirals near as much. Other advantages people don’t talk about with spirals is if set up right line will never touch the blank. Physically impossible because gravity sucks. It’s already been mentioned less guides. Normally on a 7’3” rod I’m using 8 guides instead of 10. Biggest advantage with a spiral is control. With a spiral wrapped rod when a fish makes a run left or right you have no twisting torque on the rod caused by load. Since the line under the blank can rotate in the guides to naturally change load. With a conventional rod when a fish runs left or right it applies a twisting torsion to the rod since the load is being applied to the top side of the blank. This is transmitted through the guides and into the reel seat and the users wrist. Making it important for the user to keep a firm grip on the rod. With a spiral wrap it is completely eliminated since the line and guides are on the bottom. That torque is absorbed by the tip of the blank and the user will barely notice if at all. Makes fighting a fish much easier with some simple physics. Some will claim they cast farther and all this. I think in a lab in perfect conditions you may see very small gains but nothing real world that you can really claim as a true reliable gain. I personally will never have another conventionally wrapped rod in my lifetime.
This pretty much summarizes my thoughts and feelings on the subject 👍. I also agree that if any additional casting distance is gained, it's marginal.

User avatar
Hogsticker2
Pro Angler
Pro Angler
Posts: 7161
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:20 pm

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by Hogsticker2 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:30 pm

Cal wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:11 am
I am quite surprised by this result so far :big grin: !
Those who haven't experienced it can't really comment on it, other than the appearance.

nvbroncrider
Angler
Angler
Posts: 25
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:40 pm
Location: Northern NV

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by nvbroncrider » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:42 pm

Hogsticker2 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:30 pm
Cal wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:11 am
I am quite surprised by this result so far :big grin: !
Those who haven't experienced it can't really comment on it, other than the appearance.
Appearance doesn’t matter. Performance does. Time on the water using the tools will make you a believer of what works or doesn’t. Not an engineer in an office.

User avatar
Cal
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 12762
Joined: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:31 pm
Location: TT Headquarters
Contact:

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by Cal » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:57 pm

nvbroncrider wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:42 pm
Appearance doesn’t matter. Performance does. Time on the water using the tools will make you a believer of what works or doesn’t. Not an engineer in an office.
There are plenty of people who have tried it and don't or can't buy into the concept because of appearances.

Those of us who do prefer spiral config are in the minority. There have been several rod manufacturers that have offered the layout in their production rods in the past - and some that still do - and sales suffer because of it. The great majority of the angling public does not believe in it - especially for non-big game species.
Cal, Managing Editor
"fish with mindfulness : beware the darkside"

nvbroncrider
Angler
Angler
Posts: 25
Joined: Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:40 pm
Location: Northern NV

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by nvbroncrider » Fri Jul 09, 2021 2:04 pm

Cal wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:57 pm
nvbroncrider wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:42 pm
Appearance doesn’t matter. Performance does. Time on the water using the tools will make you a believer of what works or doesn’t. Not an engineer in an office.
There are plenty of people who have tried it and don't or can't buy into the concept because of appearances.

Those of us who do prefer spiral config are in the minority. There have been several rod manufacturers that have offered the layout in their production rods in the past - and some that still do - and sales suffer because of it. The great majority of the angling public does not believe in it - especially for non-big game species.

They just haven’t been converted to the dark side!!!!

It’s a dangerous place!!

User avatar
Hogsticker2
Pro Angler
Pro Angler
Posts: 7161
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:20 pm

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by Hogsticker2 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:42 pm

nvbroncrider wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:42 pm
Hogsticker2 wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:30 pm
Cal wrote:
Fri Jul 09, 2021 11:11 am
I am quite surprised by this result so far :big grin: !
Those who haven't experienced it can't really comment on it, other than the appearance.
Appearance doesn’t matter. Performance does. Time on the water using the tools will make you a believer of what works or doesn’t. Not an engineer in an office.
My point was that appearance does matter to some, and if they haven't tried it, they obviously wouldn't know if they like the performance or not. Seems silly, but everyone has different priorities.

User avatar
KlingerNOK
Elite Angler
Elite Angler
Posts: 389
Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2011 8:33 am
Location: Ponca City, OK

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by KlingerNOK » Sun Jul 11, 2021 6:55 am

I like my spiral wrapped rods while fishing them but hate the way they tangle up with other rods sitting on the deck of the boat. Maybe if I only had 3-4 rods on the deck at a time they'd be OK, but that is rarely the case.

User avatar
uljersey
Platinum Angler
Platinum Angler
Posts: 1416
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:39 am
Location: New Jersey

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by uljersey » Tue Dec 07, 2021 11:53 am

A bit late to this party but wondering if spiral wraps are feasible on a cranking / reaction bait rod or are they more for a contact type of presentation ?

DrTrevorkian
Senior Angler
Senior Angler
Posts: 187
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2018 8:01 am

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by DrTrevorkian » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:04 pm

I think they work for everything, but that’s just me.

goldrod
Pro Angler
Pro Angler
Posts: 6240
Joined: Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:30 pm

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by goldrod » Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:14 pm

I have a custom Flippin stick that’s spiral wrapped and you can tell the differences
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible

User avatar
Cal
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 12762
Joined: Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:31 pm
Location: TT Headquarters
Contact:

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by Cal » Tue Dec 07, 2021 1:07 pm

DrTrevorkian wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:04 pm
I think they work for everything, but that’s just me.
this
Cal, Managing Editor
"fish with mindfulness : beware the darkside"

User avatar
uljersey
Platinum Angler
Platinum Angler
Posts: 1416
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:39 am
Location: New Jersey

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by uljersey » Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:25 pm

DrTrevorkian wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:04 pm
I think they work for everything, but that’s just me.
Ok, so theoretically I may (or not) see increased casting distance on a trap rod when bombing open water on a search and destroy mission and on a shorter squarebill rod I may see better accuracy when pinpointing precise targets ?

User avatar
Hogsticker2
Pro Angler
Pro Angler
Posts: 7161
Joined: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:20 pm

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by Hogsticker2 » Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:56 pm

uljersey wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:25 pm
DrTrevorkian wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:04 pm
I think they work for everything, but that’s just me.
Ok, so theoretically I may (or not) see increased casting distance on a trap rod when bombing open water on a search and destroy mission and on a shorter squarebill rod I may see better accuracy when pinpointing precise targets ?
Doesn't matter what baits you're throwing, the advantages of a spiral wrap still apply.

User avatar
uljersey
Platinum Angler
Platinum Angler
Posts: 1416
Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:39 am
Location: New Jersey

Re: To Spiral Or Not to Spiral... what is your preference?

Post by uljersey » Tue Dec 07, 2021 3:13 pm

Hogsticker2 wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:56 pm
uljersey wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 2:25 pm
DrTrevorkian wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 12:04 pm
I think they work for everything, but that’s just me.
Ok, so theoretically I may (or not) see increased casting distance on a trap rod when bombing open water on a search and destroy mission and on a shorter squarebill rod I may see better accuracy when pinpointing precise targets ?
Doesn't matter what baits you're throwing, the advantages of a spiral wrap still apply.
Thanks to all for your input :D

Post Reply