Daiwa Presso

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Daiwa Presso

Post by jeff h » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:43 am

I have a Daiwa Presso, and lately I have been having a lot of fun with it. Great little reel! I had put new Abec7 spool bearings in it and it seems as time goes on it's loosening up little by little. Anyway, really enjoying this little micro baitcaster and was just wondering who else here has one and uses it a bit. I've only seen a few come up for sale on ebay in the past year or so and really don't know how popular this reel is with the finesse crowd.

The stock 70mm handle is ridiculous, I have a 85mm handle on it instead. That 70mm handle is the only thing I could imagine griping about.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by new2BC4bass » Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:36 pm

Hey Jeff, looks like no one uses a Presso reel. I do have a Presso spool I put in a Sol to try using for light weights. However, by the time I finally got the spacers made I was using a TD-Z 105H and two Carbonlites for that.....so the reel is still untried for light weights. Now I have a PXL Type R and just received an Airy Red so don't know if it is worth trying the Sol. Maybe I'll give it a shot just for giggles. Unfortunately I think I need to re-spool it with a little lighter line. Currently have 10# Super Natural on it.

EDIT: This Sol had already been supertuned and had upgraded bearings and drag installed when I purchased the reel.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by jeff h » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:54 pm

Hey Dale!

Yeah, I must be the only one. It is a fun reel to use for smaller fish with 4 lb line. It's really tiny, very much a specialist reel but very capable. A true "ultra-light" baitcaster. The rod I had built for it matches up with it really well and I will continue to have fun with this combo until I check out. Until I got this reel I would have never even considered using 4lb line for ANY bass fishing, but now I do enjoy the challenge and the fun of it all.

I'm guessing now that the Pixy is probably far more popular for the lighter side of finesse applications. It does have a little more drag power but it's pretty close in size from what I gather. I've not had the pleasure of any Pixy experience and likely won't as I'll just stick to Alphas platform for my standard finesse duties from now on.

I think you should give that Sol a shot, if for no other reason than you do have it! Why not?

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by LowRange » Tue Jun 28, 2016 7:35 am

Hmm... a black Pixy with bronze accents. :-k

Would look pretty good on a Majorcraft Benkei BFS. Throw a DIY spool at it to get rid of that weird fixed inductor thing and a guy could have pretty slick rig.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by jeff h » Tue Jun 28, 2016 11:24 am

Thank you for your reply. I think this tiny reel is pretty darn capable as it is. Well, except for that 70mm handle. I'm sure a lighter spool would provide further benefit but I'm just not likely to throw much under 3/16 oz. Usually fishing a 1/8 or 1/16 oz Snagless Slider w/4"-5" finesse worm so I'm rather happy with it as is. ;)

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by RGMatt » Sat Jul 02, 2016 10:53 pm

LowRange wrote:Hmm... a black Pixy with bronze accents. :-k

Would look pretty good on a Majorcraft Benkei BFS. Throw a DIY spool at it to get rid of that weird fixed inductor thing and a guy could have pretty slick rig.
That "weird fixed inductor thing" is what makes that spool so capable with light lures. Really is a gem of a spool. My favorite reel is my silver pixy with a presso spool. Now i do have a Diy spool in a pixy and i havent really put it through its paces yet, casts incredibly well with light stuff but IMHO longevity will be its down fall as i question its durability.

lots of guys here are using the presso spool in pixys. Presso has been a fairly rare reel over the years and a bit more $$ than just buying a pixy and swapping spools.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by LowRange » Sun Jul 03, 2016 2:47 am

You're saying that the fixed inductor is what makes this spool cast light baits well? Interesting, every fixed inductor Daiwa I've fished has cast terrible, like with a braking profile of an Abu Black Max. My impression, although I've never owned one, was that everyone liked the light weight of the presso spool but wished it was magforce z.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by Sore Thumb » Sun Jul 03, 2016 4:16 am

The Presso was originally designed as a specialist small reel for throwing treble hooked lures, minnows, jerkbaits etc. The 70mm handle helps with working such lures in that you can quickly spin it to pick up any slack line when working these lures, a thing that is probably now redundant with the different techniques and equipment currently employed. The fixed inductor is meant to work better with the slower actioned rods, compared to say a jig rod, used for these small treble lures. This too has also probably been superceded by advances in technology and technique, such as Daiwa's SPR reels. Lovely reels to use.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by RGMatt » Mon Jul 04, 2016 12:37 am

LowRange wrote:You're saying that the fixed inductor is what makes this spool cast light baits well? Interesting, every fixed inductor Daiwa I've fished has cast terrible, like with a braking profile of an Abu Black Max. My impression, although I've never owned one, was that everyone liked the light weight of the presso spool but wished it was magforce z.
Maybe just different casting strokes for different folks. Plenty of guys on here love the zpi spools for tdz,steez With fixed inductors.
Which fixed inductor spools have you used. Tbh ive only used the presso spool with a fixed inductor and "fixed" the inductor on a black pixy spool. The presso spool has ouperformed the stock pixy black spool in every way side by side and with same rod, line lure. Fixing the inductor closed the gap some but i still got better more consistent performance from presso spool. This is only casting, no pitching. Trebled hard baits or plastics (weightless or on jig heads) didnt matter. Tested on custom mhx sj781, phenix umbx s700L, st croix scv 66mlf, 69mlxf, sc369mlxf, and a older SC Tidemaster 66ml (either moderate or mod fast. Cant remember).
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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by mark poulson » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:04 am

Sore Thumb wrote:The Presso was originally designed as a specialist small reel for throwing treble hooked lures, minnows, jerkbaits etc. The 70mm handle helps with working such lures in that you can quickly spin it to pick up any slack line when working these lures, a thing that is probably now redundant with the different techniques and equipment currently employed. The fixed inductor is meant to work better with the slower actioned rods, compared to say a jig rod, used for these small treble lures. This too has also probably been superceded by advances in technology and technique, such as Daiwa's SPR reels. Lovely reels to use.
I think you hit the nail on the head!
The rod is the key. Getting one that will load and release with a light lure is the secret.
There are a lot of baitcasters out there today capable of throwing lighter lures with the right rod.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by LowRange » Wed Jul 06, 2016 1:18 pm

RGMatt wrote:
LowRange wrote:You're saying that the fixed inductor is what makes this spool cast light baits well? Interesting, every fixed inductor Daiwa I've fished has cast terrible, like with a braking profile of an Abu Black Max. My impression, although I've never owned one, was that everyone liked the light weight of the presso spool but wished it was magforce z.
Maybe just different casting strokes for different folks. Plenty of guys on here love the zpi spools for tdz,steez With fixed inductors.
Which fixed inductor spools have you used. Tbh ive only used the presso spool with a fixed inductor and "fixed" the inductor on a black pixy spool. The presso spool has ouperformed the stock pixy black spool in every way side by side and with same rod, line lure. Fixing the inductor closed the gap some but i still got better more consistent performance from presso spool. This is only casting, no pitching. Trebled hard baits or plastics (weightless or on jig heads) didnt matter. Tested on custom mhx sj781, phenix umbx s700L, st croix scv 66mlf, 69mlxf, sc369mlxf, and a older SC Tidemaster 66ml (either moderate or mod fast. Cant remember).
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I've used an exceller exe, owned a luguna and heard all the complaints about the fixed inductor from just about everyone who was unfortunate enough to buy a lexa. Cal griped about the casting distance on the fixed inductor TDZ big bait special. Come to think of it, I've never heard anyone speak positively about a fixed inductor Daiwa until this thread. I have always been under the impression that the use of centrifugal forces to extend the inductor and increase breaking on the spool is what separates good Daiwas from bad Daiwas which could be expressed as what separates cheap Daiwas from more expensive Daiwas. In my experience fixed inductor means no centrifugal braking portion to the braking profile meaning that the reel has to have higher spool tension and I have to apply lots of thumb mid cast to keep the spool RPM governed. Basically the compete opposite of a centrifugal braking reel and quite unlike the magforce v/z/3D with their centrifugally controlled movable inductor.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by jjbassnforfun » Sun Jul 10, 2016 12:40 am

I own a TD-Z BBS that has a fixed inductor. Often struggled with BL on lures under 3/4 oz. So I swapped out the spool with my OG zillion and have the same line capacity yet curbed the odd oops of a BL. I can throw 3/8 to 1 oz NP. And only swap in the stock spool for monster swim baits to get more distance.

I'm going to try a heavier spring on the inductor to see if that allows the use of the monster swim baits yet still keeping the 3/8 to 3/4 ounce stuff manageable.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by new2BC4bass » Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:30 am

jjbassnforfun wrote:I own a TD-Z BBS that has a fixed inductor. Often struggled with BL on lures under 3/4 oz. So I swapped out the spool with my OG zillion and have the same line capacity yet curbed the odd oops of a BL. I can throw 3/8 to 1 oz NP. And only swap in the stock spool for monster swim baits to get more distance.

I'm going to try a heavier spring on the inductor to see if that allows the use of the monster swim baits yet still keeping the 3/8 to 3/4 ounce stuff manageable.
Might want to talk with Ian Shields first. I am having a problem with my Alphas SV105. I mentioned to him that a guy on here had sent 3 reels to Daiwa (T3s, I think) that had problems with the inductor. Poster didn't know what Daiwa did, but the reels worked when they came back. He thought Daiwa may have gone to a heavier spring for the inductor. This was Ian's reply to me, "it would not make sense that a stronger spring would help with the inductor, because this would only serve to inhibit the braking, which would cause you even more grief" My SV105 doesn't perform nearly as well as everyone else claims theirs does.

My SV105 and three other reels are going out this afternoon for Ian to go through and upgrade. I've never been one to tinker, and currently don't have a space for working on my reels even if I wanted to. I let a professional solve my problems. :big grin:

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by LowRange » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:10 am

new2BC4bass wrote:
jjbassnforfun wrote:I own a TD-Z BBS that has a fixed inductor. Often struggled with BL on lures under 3/4 oz. So I swapped out the spool with my OG zillion and have the same line capacity yet curbed the odd oops of a BL. I can throw 3/8 to 1 oz NP. And only swap in the stock spool for monster swim baits to get more distance.

I'm going to try a heavier spring on the inductor to see if that allows the use of the monster swim baits yet still keeping the 3/8 to 3/4 ounce stuff manageable.
Might want to talk with Ian Shields first. I am having a problem with my Alphas SV105. I mentioned to him that a guy on here had sent 3 reels to Daiwa (T3s, I think) that had problems with the inductor. Poster didn't know what Daiwa did, but the reels worked when they came back. He thought Daiwa may have gone to a heavier spring for the inductor. This was Ian's reply to me, "it would not make sense that a stronger spring would help with the inductor, because this would only serve to inhibit the braking, which would cause you even more grief" My SV105 doesn't perform nearly as well as everyone else claims theirs does.

My SV105 and three other reels are going out this afternoon for Ian to go through and upgrade. I've never been one to tinker, and currently don't have a space for working on my reels even if I wanted to. I let a professional solve my problems. :big grin:
What performance issues do you have with your Alphas SV? Do you believe it is not casting far enough? Is so what other reels are you comparing the casting distance to?

I ask this because the Alphas SV isn't the best distance casting reel. The reel's breaking profile is an excellent balance of distance and control but is it just that, a balance. Some long distance casting is lost to gain the ability to skip baits thumb free. If you do not value control, particularly low spool RPM control, and only value casting distance then the Alphas SV is not the reel for you. If so. you may want to look into Shimano reels. Shimano reels, in general, don't even bother with breaking below the cut out point of the centrifugal breaks and trade the ability to skip and pitch thumb free for the ability to cast a bit further. This a blanket statement about Shimano reels but for the most part, in my experience, it holds true.

These is also a known issue with inductors sticking on the Alphas SV spool and this can sometimes be solved at home by applying a bit of oil to the inductor.

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Re: Daiwa Presso

Post by new2BC4bass » Mon May 03, 2021 4:00 pm

LowRange wrote:
Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:10 am
new2BC4bass wrote:
jjbassnforfun wrote:I own a TD-Z BBS that has a fixed inductor. Often struggled with BL on lures under 3/4 oz. So I swapped out the spool with my OG zillion and have the same line capacity yet curbed the odd oops of a BL. I can throw 3/8 to 1 oz NP. And only swap in the stock spool for monster swim baits to get more distance.

I'm going to try a heavier spring on the inductor to see if that allows the use of the monster swim baits yet still keeping the 3/8 to 3/4 ounce stuff manageable.
Might want to talk with Ian Shields first. I am having a problem with my Alphas SV105. I mentioned to him that a guy on here had sent 3 reels to Daiwa (T3s, I think) that had problems with the inductor. Poster didn't know what Daiwa did, but the reels worked when they came back. He thought Daiwa may have gone to a heavier spring for the inductor. This was Ian's reply to me, "it would not make sense that a stronger spring would help with the inductor, because this would only serve to inhibit the braking, which would cause you even more grief" My SV105 doesn't perform nearly as well as everyone else claims theirs does.

My SV105 and three other reels are going out this afternoon for Ian to go through and upgrade. I've never been one to tinker, and currently don't have a space for working on my reels even if I wanted to. I let a professional solve my problems. :big grin:
What performance issues do you have with your Alphas SV? Do you believe it is not casting far enough? Is so what other reels are you comparing the casting distance to?

I ask this because the Alphas SV isn't the best distance casting reel. The reel's breaking profile is an excellent balance of distance and control but is it just that, a balance. Some long distance casting is lost to gain the ability to skip baits thumb free. If you do not value control, particularly low spool RPM control, and only value casting distance then the Alphas SV is not the reel for you. If so. you may want to look into Shimano reels. Shimano reels, in general, don't even bother with breaking below the cut out point of the centrifugal breaks and trade the ability to skip and pitch thumb free for the ability to cast a bit further. This a blanket statement about Shimano reels but for the most part, in my experience, it holds true.

These is also a known issue with inductors sticking on the Alphas SV spool and this can sometimes be solved at home by applying a bit of oil to the inductor.
I realize this is an old thread. Came across it while doing a little more research on my Presso spool. To answer your question, distance was not the problem. Reel wanted to overrun and backlash. Something no one else ever complained about (as best as I could find out). More so than any of my other reels...whether Diawa or another brand. I could feel the line 'fluffing' during the middle of the cast. I owned quite a few Daiwa reels at that time...and have purchased quite a more since then. :big grin:

Ian quote: "I tuned the spool's inductor on this reel, so that the spool will be a little bit faster for you. I have done this to many of these reels, and have had nothing but positive feedback regarding this mod." I have had absolutely no problem with this reel since getting it back from Ian. Naturally I had Ian do a bunch more upgrading to the reel while he had it. \:D/

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