Magforce-Z induction activation revolutions?

[Slary]

For me... ..FAF looks more like a prototype for FTB.

[LowRange]

I would say, it is not correct to say "Kestrel is definetly using FTB brake".
Kestrel is using FAF brake and it is adjusting distance between spool and magnets, by different mechanism.
Ofcourse it looks like Kestrel is impressed of Shimano's FTB and trying to do something as good by their own way.
FAF is not a copy or clone of FTB.

Are those mentioned, Doyo's Pagamag or KK's Compensating Mag, adjusting on the throw or not?
If they don't adjust on the throw, like FTB, FAF or Daiwa's moving inductor style brakes, then not interesting to me right now.

The other systems motioned adjust on the throw.

[LowRange]

Maybe there's something inside (wedge mechanism) but necessary not, because it doesn't need anything more than those slots to adjust:
KK brake mechanism.jpg
Slots are not exactly same as in real reel but little adjustment of those makes significant change to magnetholder move.

The shape of slots on the magnet holder will allow the magnets to move outwards in either direction making the brake compatible with LH and RH reels depending on the front plate orientation. One way for RH and then flip it for LH. Like how an SV spool inductor can be twisted in either direction to extend out. I guess that's the accomplishment here. They have made their own cheaper version of FTB that is compatible with LR and RH reels.

[jvelth74]

The shape of slots on the magnet holder will allow the magnets to move outwards in either direction making the brake compatible with LH and RH reels depending on the front plate orientation. One way for RH and then flip it for LH. Like how an SV spool inductor can be twisted in either direction to extend out. I guess that's the accomplishment here. They have made their own cheaper version of FTB that is compatible with LR and RH reels.

I agree. And hopefully they have made that plate, where slots are, as a mirror image, then it works.

[Slary]

I hope that picture is showing, first time is allways first

I was drawing my thoughts to that picture. Trying to explain what I mean about wedge effect. That is how I think magnetholder is really moving and slots give only limits for move.
What you guys think.

[Slary]

okay, picture don't show like that

And how about link to picture:
https://ibb.co/MNXjgBG

[mark poulson]

okay, picture don't show like that

And how about link to picture:
https://ibb.co/MNXjgBG

That looks like centrifugal magnetic braking.
Do the magnets slip into the end of the spool, so they affect the spool as it spins?

[jvelth74]

okay, picture don't show like that

And how about link to picture:
https://ibb.co/MNXjgBG

Is it wedge or not - and I think not. In my opinion working principle of it is by pulling magnets forward by braking torque and because of direction of slots, it moves also closer to spool and make braking stronger.

[Slary]

okay, picture don't show like that

And how about link to picture:
https://ibb.co/MNXjgBG

Is it wedge or not - and I think not. In my opinion working principle of it is by pulling magnets forward by braking torque and because of direction of slots, it moves also closer to spool and make braking stronger.

I don't know is it wedge or not.
In that picture it is looking, quite clearly, as a wedge.
I was having little fun with cads and here is my beautyful grafic
https://ibb.co/sF02Msj

[jvelth74]

I don't know is it wedge or not.

I guess not. For me it's quite clear that visible guiding pins glides in slots, which dictates direction of move of magnetholder.

[LowRange]

okay, picture don't show like that

And how about link to picture:
https://ibb.co/MNXjgBG

That looks like centrifugal magnetic braking.
Do the magnets slip into the end of the spool, so they affect the spool as it spins?

Its a chinease attempt at Shimano's FTB. The magnets are pulled closer to the ID of the spool as the spool spins. Similar to how Daiwa SV inductor is pulled by the magnets, closer to the magnets as the spool spins.

[Slary]

No, magnets are not pulled towards the spool, not in Daiwa's or Shimano's magnet brakes.

When spool rotates, it is affecting to magnets, magnets "want" to rotate as well.
Then there is different mechanics, how to make magnets going closer the spool.

[mark poulson]

okay, picture don't show like that

And how about link to picture:
https://ibb.co/MNXjgBG

That looks like centrifugal magnetic braking.
Do the magnets slip into the end of the spool, so they affect the spool as it spins?

Its a chinease attempt at Shimano's FTB. The magnets are pulled closer to the ID of the spool as the spool spins. Similar to how Daiwa SV inductor is pulled by the magnets, closer to the magnets as the spool spins.

Thanks for the clear photo.
The way it looks to me, the strength of the spring would determine the amount of braking.
Is there any other adjustment of braking strength?

[jvelth74]

The way it looks to me, the strength of the spring would determine the amount of braking.
Is there any other adjustment of braking strength?

In case of KK Kestrel, manual adjustment of magnetic brake adjusts how deep inside spool magnets are (in axial direction).

Braking torque is magnetic brake setting x revolutions of spool x distance of magnets vs. spool bottom. Naturally same torque tends to brake spool and tends to push magnets against spring, and this makes spring to compress and magnets to move closer to spool bottom.

[LowRange]

No, magnets are not pulled towards the spool, not in Daiwa's or Shimano's magnet brakes.

When spool rotates, it is affecting to magnets, magnets "want" to rotate as well.
Then there is different mechanics, how to make magnets going closer the spool.

Correct but it is the same thing. The object "being drawn towards the spool" is actually being rotated with the spool though the Lenz effect and this mechanical rotation is translated into linear movement towards the spool.