Daiwa Morethan and Vegas

[goldrod]

If there's one thing in life I know, that is I am not built for the casinos in Vegas.
I roll the die to frequently on JDM sites and this time I thought I was right but I was wrong
Like I really thought I was right, I was tired so fatigue may have played a factor but No Excuses here..

I ended up receiving this reel today.. Not the one I was looking for but I guess to the untrained eye and an impulsive personality its understandable why I got the wrong thing one but still like a trooper I figured someone else has to have this reel and wanted to know what the consensus on it was.

[Polkfish1]

Whoopsy. I haven’t fished that one, but never read anything negative about it. The way I look at them is one is a tuned zillion hd and the other is a tuned steez a. Both good reels depending on your intended application and preferences.

[goldrod]

Whoopsy. I haven’t fished that one, but never read anything negative about it. The way I look at them is one is a tuned zillion hd and the other is a tuned steez a. Both good reels depending on your intended application and preferences.

Yeah man Tim tried to bail me out but my enter finger was faster than my phone a friend instincts

I was looking for a reel for my Valkyrie flipping stick only because
I do not want to use a Shimano Reel on it.
I just got in some xplasama 50# and some samurai braid 55#
Neither of which I’ve tried at that # test But hopefully soon

[Polkfish1]

Whoopsy. I haven’t fished that one, but never read anything negative about it. The way I look at them is one is a tuned zillion hd and the other is a tuned steez a. Both good reels depending on your intended application and preferences.

Yeah man Tim tried to bail me out but my enter finger was faster than my phone a friend instincts

I was looking for a reel for my Valkyrie flipping stick only because
I do not want to use a Shimano Reel on it.
I just got in some xplasama 50# and some samurai braid 55#
Neither of which I’ve tried at that # test But hopefully soon

Well; nothing to do now but get the other one and make it a set. The TT way, right?

[goldrod]

Whoopsy. I haven’t fished that one, but never read anything negative about it. The way I look at them is one is a tuned zillion hd and the other is a tuned steez a. Both good reels depending on your intended application and preferences.

Yeah man Tim tried to bail me out but my enter finger was faster than my phone a friend instincts

I was looking for a reel for my Valkyrie flipping stick only because
I do not want to use a Shimano Reel on it.
I just got in some xplasama 50# and some samurai braid 55#
Neither of which I’ve tried at that # test But hopefully soon

Well; nothing to do now but get the other one and make it a set. The TT way, right?

Well when your hot on a roll keep it going right !

[LowRange]

That's the old big Tatula based Zillion platform. I have an HD and while it is not the level of refinement as a TD Zillion or Steez it is still a good platform. The Catalina TW spool is a good one in my Zillion HD and I use the stock fixed inductor deep spool with 20# big game. These are wide spool 36mm platform reel. Assuming this old Morethan is like others of the same platform then you have spool options unless this one is weird. I would throw heavy braid on it and mount it to an XH or H with gold accents. Something to handle big frogs and big baits without being a full blown swim bait stick. My Zillion HD is on a Hyuga 72H rated 1/2oz to 4oz and it's a perfect fit.

[goldrod]

That's the old big Tatula based Zillion platform. I have an HD and while it is not the level of refinement as a TD Zillion or Steez it is still a good platform. The Catalina TW spool is a good one in my Zillion HD and I use the stock fixed inductor deep spool with 20# big game. These are wide spool 36mm platform reel. Assuming this old Morethan is like others of the same platform then you have spool options unless this one is weird. I would throw heavy braid on it and mount it to an XH or H with gold accents. Something to handle big frogs and big baits without being a full blown swim bait stick. My Zillion HD is on a Hyuga 72H rated 1/2oz to 4oz and it's a perfect fit.

I keep hearing that it’s big but I mounted it on a rod and it’s not overwhelming like a Daiwa Z. My mits are medium large heavy I guess
I’d use large gloves but they are tight for me. My fingers have some girth but I always thought I was a normal size.
So the reel sits rather low and is a bit wider than say some of my reels but again it’s not perceivable to me when I clutch it.

I read on JApan tackle that the Tatula has a long spool unlike this reel and the body frame is different. It’s kinda interesting this reel
I may just do a spool and side plate bearing change to see how it is.
But the handle is Lil short for my liking.

I like that I can put my whole thumb in the spool hole.
It’s a little snug but not too bad.
I wonder how it looks inside and maybe I will take it apart later or tonight
Insomnia is extra when there’s questions on a reel sitting feet away.

May be a good candidate for the power tackle the one rod

[LowRange]

That's the old big Tatula based Zillion platform. I have an HD and while it is not the level of refinement as a TD Zillion or Steez it is still a good platform. The Catalina TW spool is a good one in my Zillion HD and I use the stock fixed inductor deep spool with 20# big game. These are wide spool 36mm platform reel. Assuming this old Morethan is like others of the same platform then you have spool options unless this one is weird. I would throw heavy braid on it and mount it to an XH or H with gold accents. Something to handle big frogs and big baits without being a full blown swim bait stick. My Zillion HD is on a Hyuga 72H rated 1/2oz to 4oz and it's a perfect fit.

I keep hearing that it’s big but I mounted it on a rod and it’s not overwhelming like a Daiwa Z. My mits are medium large heavy I guess
I’d use large gloves but they are tight for me. My fingers have some girth but I always thought I was a normal size.
So the reel sits rather low and is a bit wider than say some of my reels but again it’s not perceivable to me when I clutch it.

I read on JApan tackle that the Tatula has a long spool unlike this reel and the body frame is different. It’s kinda interesting this reel
I may just do a spool and side plate bearing change to see how it is.
But the handle is Lil short for my liking.

I like that I can put my whole thumb in the spool hole.
It’s a little snug but not too bad.
I wonder how it looks inside and maybe I will take it apart later or tonight
Insomnia is extra when there’s questions on a reel sitting feet away.

May be a good candidate for the power tackle the one rod

They are not truly big reels just a bit bigger than what most are accustomed to in a bass reel. The issue with this Morethan and the old Tarulas is that the mag dial sticks out and has a rough edge that will rub your finger raw if you palm with an index under on the blank. Later versions of this platform switched to a recessed mag dial. I have to slide my index finger under the reel seat when palming my old Tatula Type R or it will rub me. Its nit picky but these are unreasonably large for their capacity. The old Morethan is the worse offender but even the Catalina TW spool only holds marginally more like that a Curado K but is massive by comparison. Still, I like my HD. The Catalina TW spool can cast down to the arbor with 65# PP and a 7/8 oz big frog pretty easily and has smooth and solid whinching power. The stock fixed inductor spool and T wing tame 20# Big Game really well throwing 2 to 3 oz baits. I'm happy.

The Morethan is supposed to be a braid specific version with a shallow spool. To use the stock shallow spool I would want no more than a 30# test. A Catalina spool will get you much more capacity and a stiff spring distance tuned Magforce Z braking. Despite being a 36mm spool the Catalina TW capacity is equal to a stock 34mm old Tatula spool due to it being on the slightly shallower side for whatever reason. There are also the Zillion HLC spools that fit these reels from the Zillion TWS HLCs. I looked into these but went with the Catalina TW spool because the HLC spools dont have any additional capacity over an old TD Zillion or Curado K. What's the point of the big reel if they keep sticking shallow spools in them?

[LowRange]

That's the old big Tatula based Zillion platform. I have an HD and while it is not the level of refinement as a TD Zillion or Steez it is still a good platform. The Catalina TW spool is a good one in my Zillion HD and I use the stock fixed inductor deep spool with 20# big game. These are wide spool 36mm platform reel. Assuming this old Morethan is like others of the same platform then you have spool options unless this one is weird. I would throw heavy braid on it and mount it to an XH or H with gold accents. Something to handle big frogs and big baits without being a full blown swim bait stick. My Zillion HD is on a Hyuga 72H rated 1/2oz to 4oz and it's a perfect fit.

I keep hearing that it’s big but I mounted it on a rod and it’s not overwhelming like a Daiwa Z. My mits are medium large heavy I guess
I’d use large gloves but they are tight for me. My fingers have some girth but I always thought I was a normal size.
So the reel sits rather low and is a bit wider than say some of my reels but again it’s not perceivable to me when I clutch it.

I read on JApan tackle that the Tatula has a long spool unlike this reel and the body frame is different. It’s kinda interesting this reel
I may just do a spool and side plate bearing change to see how it is.
But the handle is Lil short for my liking.

I like that I can put my whole thumb in the spool hole.
It’s a little snug but not too bad.
I wonder how it looks inside and maybe I will take it apart later or tonight
Insomnia is extra when there’s questions on a reel sitting feet away.

May be a good candidate for the power tackle the one rod

Also these use a modified version of the old Tatula platform. They came out before the Zillion TWS was released. These are the 1st of the Tatula derived Zillions. The joke at the time on the forum were that they were a Tatula that you were paying Morethan you should. In reality they just share a few parts and are the same size and shape. I still think of this platform and the smaller Zillon TW SV as premium Tatulas. The old TD Zillion and this new Zillion are the real deal though. Still I like my big tanky premium Tatula. I just wish I payed less for it.

http://www.tackletour.com/reviewdaiwazilliontws.html

[4g63power]

It's a zillion tw platform but it doesn't take any other spools. It's a great caster with braided lines, think it was targeted to make long cast with 3/8 oz ish seabass plugs. Downside is the spool is pretty shallow, it holds less than 105 SV. I guess it should be fine if you plan on using it for close qtr stuff but that's not where it shines at imo. I bought mine a while back and came with busted gear teeth, ended up swapping out with 7.3 zillion gear set. And one of the magseal bearings badly leaking.. It's a cool looking reel but came with some problems and after all i still haven't found the use for it

[LowRange]

Aquaftm45 is the best resource on these reels here. He has one and loves it. Might want to pick his brain on it. Unfortunately even though these are Zillion TWS platforms they use a 34mm wide spool. You're stuck with the stock shallow SV spool.

[Aquaftm45]

Daiwa Morethan and Vegas....

For a second, I thought this post had something to do with me. This was my first high end reel and I bought it while living in Vegas.
This thing cast so well that you could probably cast the width of Lake Mead considering the water level. Do a Morethan search here on TT, I have some ramblings and I think there are around 14 pages about this gem.

[goldrod]

[/quote] What's the point of the big reel if they keep sticking shallow spools in them?
[/quote]

I love them man and I have two Shimano bantam MGL that I brought the Yumeya shallow spools for, just got in another Daiwa Z shallow spool.
However I understand your point but for me I don’t use backing and I switch to braid so I think it saves me money. I spool’d a Daiwa Z with the stock spool with 20lb floro and got nauseated

Some one pointed me to Rick and I’ll give him a Pm
Them more I palm this reel while on the rod it gives me a good feeling of comfort. I will try some other rods though. I’ve upgraded the spool bearing and need to order a side plate bearing.


That will be my approach for now. To change the spool and side plate bearing and take it out on the water and see how I like it. I may switch rods and see what I like or don’t like. I don’t really want to invest more money into this reel in terms of super tuning.
When I got the reel the FIRST THING was try to see what the spool could fit into that I already have. After owning a Daiwa light limited I am aware of the spool limitations with reels like these but due to the shared knowledge I at least have options for this one.

[LowRange]

It has a wide 34mm spool. Not sure what spool options exist for this reel unfortunately. Others of the same platform use the 36mm wide spool of which there are a number of stock as aftermarket spools available.

[DirtyD64]

Dang I was gonna offer to buy the spool, I have 2 Zillion TWS and I enjoy them. Big reels, use the 7.3 for cranking/bladed jigs and the 9.1 (actually has 7.3.gears too) for jerkbaits-aliexpress semi bfs spool, and topwater-stock spool with 15lb mono.