TackleTour

hoohoorjoo wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:14 pm

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:06 pm

I just noticed that the XH is an 8.1 not the 8.5 of the normal zillion so it appears the gears are different.

Sounds like they used the Alphas SV TW gears.

I don’t know? The alphas gears (on the left in top pic) don’t have a provision for clicking drag like the zillion g gears (right in top pic) or the steez ct gears (bottom pic).

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:30 am

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:06 pm

I just noticed that the XH is an 8.1 not the 8.5 of the normal zillion so it appears the gears are different.

It’s possible the ratio difference could be related to the size of spool and the handle length.
8.1 with 34mm and 100mm handle
8.5 with 31mm and 80mm handle

not a significant difference but just enough

The gear ratio is a static calculation based on main vs pinion gear teeth. The ratio won’t change due to handle or spool size, however the IPT and power will differ based on spool diameter and handle length.

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:54 am

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:30 am

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:06 pm

I just noticed that the XH is an 8.1 not the 8.5 of the normal zillion so it appears the gears are different.

It’s possible the ratio difference could be related to the size of spool and the handle length.
8.1 with 34mm and 100mm handle
8.5 with 31mm and 80mm handle

not a significant difference but just enough

The gear ratio is a static calculation based on main vs pinion gear teeth. The ratio won’t change due to handle or spool size, however the IPT and power will differ based on spool diameter and handle length.

You’re correct. I should have been more clear in my comment and used Inches/Centimeters Per Turn as the baseline.

I wonder if it shares the same gears as the new USDM Steez CT.

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:30 am

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:06 pm

I just noticed that the XH is an 8.1 not the 8.5 of the normal zillion so it appears the gears are different.

It’s possible the ratio difference could be related to the size of spool and the handle length.
8.1 with 34mm and 100mm handle
8.5 with 31mm and 80mm handle

not a significant difference but just enough

The handle length has no bearing on the gear ratio. Gear ratio means how many revolutions the spool spins for each handle turn. So a 8.1 gear ratio reel has a spool that spins 8.1 times for each handle turn.

Handle length really only impacts the ease of which you can turn the input shaft and the speed at which you can turn the input shaft. The ratio between input shaft revolutions per output shaft revolutions is determined by the gear ratio. A longer handle applies more torque to the input shaft which makes rotations require less effort but also requires a larger circumference and more time to complete.

HobeyBaker wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:37 am

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:30 am

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:06 pm

I just noticed that the XH is an 8.1 not the 8.5 of the normal zillion so it appears the gears are different.

It’s possible the ratio difference could be related to the size of spool and the handle length.
8.1 with 34mm and 100mm handle
8.5 with 31mm and 80mm handle

not a significant difference but just enough

The handle length has no bearing on the gear ratio. Gear ratio means how many revolutions the spool spins for each handle turn. So a 8.1 gear ratio reel has a spool that spins 8.1 times for each handle turn.

No, it doesn’t have a bearing on the gear ratio but the handle length does have an impact on centimeters/turn:
A reel with a 100mm handle length will retrieve: 314cm/turn
That same reel with a 90mm handle length will retrieve: 282.6cm/turn
I don’t believe the retrieve makes a difference.

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:42 pm

HobeyBaker wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:37 am

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:30 am

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:06 pm

I just noticed that the XH is an 8.1 not the 8.5 of the normal zillion so it appears the gears are different.

It’s possible the ratio difference could be related to the size of spool and the handle length.
8.1 with 34mm and 100mm handle
8.5 with 31mm and 80mm handle

not a significant difference but just enough

The handle length has no bearing on the gear ratio. Gear ratio means how many revolutions the spool spins for each handle turn. So a 8.1 gear ratio reel has a spool that spins 8.1 times for each handle turn.

No, it doesn’t have a bearing on the gear ratio but the handle length does have an impact on centimeters/turn:
A reel with a 100mm handle length will retrieve: 314cm/turn
That same reel with a 90mm handle length will retrieve: 282.6cm/turn
I don’t believe the retrieve makes a difference.

The spool still turns the same amount of times regardless of handle length. Now inches per turn (IPT) could change if the spool diameter changes.

https://www.gameandfishmag.com/editoria ... you/190057

HobeyBaker wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:55 pm

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:42 pm

HobeyBaker wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:37 am

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:30 am

ss30378 wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:06 pm

I just noticed that the XH is an 8.1 not the 8.5 of the normal zillion so it appears the gears are different.

It’s possible the ratio difference could be related to the size of spool and the handle length.
8.1 with 34mm and 100mm handle
8.5 with 31mm and 80mm handle

not a significant difference but just enough

The handle length has no bearing on the gear ratio. Gear ratio means how many revolutions the spool spins for each handle turn. So a 8.1 gear ratio reel has a spool that spins 8.1 times for each handle turn.

No, it doesn’t have a bearing on the gear ratio but the handle length does have an impact on centimeters/turn:
A reel with a 100mm handle length will retrieve: 314cm/turn
That same reel with a 90mm handle length will retrieve: 282.6cm/turn
I don’t believe the retrieve makes a difference.

The spool still turns the same amount of times regardless of handle length. Now inches per turn (IPT) could change if the spool diameter changes.

https://www.gameandfishmag.com/editoria ... you/190057

And all those math classes with diameters, revolutions and pi.

Looks like a nice reel…

I’m just here for the gear ratio entertainment.

Cranky wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:49 pm

Looks like a nice reel…

I’m just here for the gear ratio entertainment.

Just picture a yardstick glued to your reel handle. Whether you turn the yard stick once or the handle once, the spool moves the same. Just get more or less torque from the handle length. Same concept as tightening a bolt, the threads turn the same whether you use a 10" ratchet or a two foot breaker bar.

DirtyD64 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:41 am

Just picture a yardstick glued to your reel handle. Whether you turn the yard stick once or the handle once, the spool moves the same. Just get more or less torque from the handle length. Same concept as tightening a bolt, the threads turn the same whether you use a 10" ratchet or a two foot breaker bar.

How does the depth of the line spool affect the retrieve ratio? Does the amount of the line on the spool affect retrieve ratio?

No, not comparing two full spools (one shallow and one non-shallow).

However, if you make a very long cast and almost empty the non-shallow spool (to below depth of shallow spool), then the non-shallow spool will have lower IPT…

Johnny A wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:22 am

DirtyD64 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:41 am

Just picture a yardstick glued to your reel handle. Whether you turn the yard stick once or the handle once, the spool moves the same. Just get more or less torque from the handle length. Same concept as tightening a bolt, the threads turn the same whether you use a 10" ratchet or a two foot breaker bar.

How does the depth of the line spool affect the retrieve ratio? Does the amount of the line on the spool affect retrieve ratio?

This went off onto a tangent. I’m going to start a new thread and deleting my previous comments.