Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by daiwafan » Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:06 am

The spool weight is 15.05 grams fo the 80.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by LowRange » Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:17 am

Porky little thing.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by DirtyD64 » Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:25 am

ss30378 wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:57 am
DirtyD64 wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:26 am
Wow so it is actually pretty small. This bearing argument has left me confused. I wish someone with the Alphas could clear it up for us. The new Zillion has nine, 2 spool, 2 mainshaft, 2 pinion, 1 anti reverse, and 2 in the handle. The Alphas has one less, it scares me into thinking they removed a mainshaft bearing. That or it has ZERO knob bearings and one on the levelwind (would be better), the old Alphas/SV105 had 2 mainshaft bearings.
The alphas knobs have all bushings from the factory. Main shaft has 2 bearings plus the RB.
Thank you. It must be: 2 pinion, 2 mainshaft, 2 spool, 1 anti reverse, and 1 levelwind.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by daiwafan » Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:36 pm

Yeah the spool is a little heavier than I thought it would be but it must carry the weight nearer the center of the spool because it still will cast lighter baits pretty well. It ain’t gonna zoom out a trout magnet or anything but with a 3/16 ounce jig it did fine. It also did fine with a 1/8 ounce head in a 2.5 inch tube.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by daiwafan » Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:03 pm

I forgot to mention that I did manage to catch 4 smallmouth today with the 80. When it came down to it I didn't have the heart to take the Steez off of the Utility Player so I put the 80 on a Tatula Elite 6-9 Skipping Jig instead. Makes a nice little setup for the river.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by DirtyD64 » Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:46 am

daiwafan wrote:
Sun Mar 06, 2022 12:36 pm
Yeah the spool is a little heavier than I thought it would be but it must carry the weight nearer the center of the spool because it still will cast lighter baits pretty well. It ain’t gonna zoom out a trout magnet or anything but with a 3/16 ounce jig it did fine. It also did fine with a 1/8 ounce head in a 2.5 inch tube.
Yeah I think a lot of people under estimate many reel's capacity for throwing lighter lures. With the right line (12lb and under) I have cast similar weights to what you stated with old Zillion TWS and Tatula Type R reels. I am pretty sure both of those are heavier than the 15g spool of the new 80. Will be excited to see how this 80 or the new 70 SV do with cheapo DIY spools once they come out.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by Jbc88 » Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:06 am

Japanlureshop got the reel for sale for $137... pretty cheap

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by hoohoorjoo » Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:27 pm

Jbc88 wrote:
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Japanlureshop got the reel for sale for $137... pretty cheap
Just ordered mine from JLS on Saturday. It was $152 including shipping. Still cheap, so we will see what's what with this one. If it's as nice as my 2 Tat TTU 100's, I'll be a happy camper. Coupled with the form factor of the Alphas SV TW and a Mag Z spool, I'm thinking I'll be picking up a couple more.
The yen has dropped precipitously against the dollar, so I figured why not?
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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by DirtyD64 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:35 pm

I am curious to see how the new SV Tatula is braked. It looks like the new Alphas SV TW has a huge inductor, haven't gotten a definitive answer on whether it is over braked or not.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by LowRange » Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:40 am

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Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:35 pm
I am curious to see how the new SV Tatula is braked. It looks like the new Alphas SV TW has a huge inductor, haven't gotten a definitive answer on whether it is over braked or not.
I have a tendency not to wory about it since I can always swap in a Ray's inductor for $8 or one from another SV spool of which I have many parts. One of the pros of being a spool horder.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by DirtyD64 » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:27 am

LowRange wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:40 am
DirtyD64 wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:35 pm
I am curious to see how the new SV Tatula is braked. It looks like the new Alphas SV TW has a huge inductor, haven't gotten a definitive answer on whether it is over braked or not.
I have a tendency not to wory about it since I can always swap in a Ray's inductor for $8 or one from another SV spool of which I have many parts. One of the pros of being a spool horder.
True. I assume the majority of inductors are the same diameter? I know the thickness will make them vary slightly, but for the most part different sized Daiwa spools use the same inductor.
This being said, I still would love to hear feedback on the new Alphas. I swear when Daiwa put a white SV ramp on my SV105 they also added the Zillon SVTW inductor, my SV105 randomly casts much better after the ramp upgrade. I need to measure the inductors to see.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by jvelth74 » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:44 am

I think Daiwa's magnetic rings are always same diameter, so inductors are as well same diameter.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by daiwafan » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:34 am

Can’t speak for the SV70 but the non SV80 is a dandy little reel to fish in the river. I filled it with 15 pound braid and changed the bearing out to hedgehog airs and it is very controllable for me with a mag setting of 2.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by LowRange » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:45 am

DirtyD64 wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:27 am
LowRange wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:40 am
DirtyD64 wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:35 pm
I am curious to see how the new SV Tatula is braked. It looks like the new Alphas SV TW has a huge inductor, haven't gotten a definitive answer on whether it is over braked or not.
I have a tendency not to wory about it since I can always swap in a Ray's inductor for $8 or one from another SV spool of which I have many parts. One of the pros of being a spool horder.
True. I assume the majority of inductors are the same diameter? I know the thickness will make them vary slightly, but for the most part different sized Daiwa spools use the same inductor.
This being said, I still would love to hear feedback on the new Alphas. I swear when Daiwa put a white SV ramp on my SV105 they also added the Zillon SVTW inductor, my SV105 randomly casts much better after the ramp upgrade. I need to measure the inductors to see.
The diameters don't vary by much. The thickness is in reference to the inductor material thickness and not the inductor thickness as in OD. More aluminum = more braking. Short and thin inductor seem to be the fastest like the Zillion TW SV spool and long thick inductors like the SS SV brake most strongly. You also have long and thin inductors like the Ray's and Prorex 100 SV spools. Spring rates also heavily impact behavior too. An inductor swap and/or spring swap are pretty common tuning tricks for SV spools. Just by the looks of the Alphas TW and Tatula 70 SV I would leave the inductor alone and get a stiffer spring from an old Magforce V spool or Ray's Tatula 100 Long Cast. These are still pretty soft but stiffer than your typical SV spring. I probably wouldn't change the inductor for fear of compromising ease of skipping unless I didn't care about that. Chances are if I get a 70 SV it's going on a 73MH Adrena and would be sending a lot of weightless plastics under docks so skipping is something I would want to retain as part of "waking up" the spool if even decide to do that.

A final element is the reel, as in the reel magnets. If you ever put an SV spool in a TD-Z you discover that is is significantly more free than in a Steez TW SV or Zillion TW SV. This is due to how far away the TD-Z magnets are from the spool. They are actually pretty close to the long cast position on a T3 for example. As matter of fact, for the same dial setting, a T3 on long cast will behave very similar to a TD-Z for the same SV spool swapped between reels or at least what I am seeing with my Zillion SV spool.

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Re: Project T 22: 2 new Tatulas

Post by LowRange » Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:52 am

daiwafan wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:34 am
Can’t speak for the SV70 but the non SV80 is a dandy little reel to fish in the river. I filled it with 15 pound braid and changed the bearing out to hedgehog airs and it is very controllable for me with a mag setting of 2.
Out of 20 positions? Is this a left handed reel?

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