Braid to fluorocarbon

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by SteveSchmelzle » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:13 pm

surgeon knots tests "just" below the FG knot for breaking strength...and is 1000% easier to tie.

So, the jury is out on the 'best' knot for tying braid to flouro.
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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by eyra_kid » Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:19 am

I just stick with the the back to back uni knot. Hasnt failed me in 15-16 years, and I can tied it quickly and easily on the water. Surgeon's knot is one I'm trying also for larger mono leaders to think braid. HAs promise and is easy to tie.

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Cal » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:09 am

SteveSchmelzle wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:13 pm
So, the jury is out on the 'best' knot for tying braid to flouro.
The best knot is the one you yourself can tie reliably ;)
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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Drakestar » Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:18 pm

Cal wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:09 am
SteveSchmelzle wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:13 pm
So, the jury is out on the 'best' knot for tying braid to flouro.
The best knot is the one you yourself can tie reliably ;)
That, and "the one you have most confidence in". I lost an 8 pounder at Clear Lake to a surgeons loop, haven't tied it since then. Probably totally unfair to the knot, maybe I should learn how to set the drag ;) But let's be honest, we make these superstitious decisions all the time. My FG reliability went up that remaining 4.5% or so (95 to 99.5%) when I started using the Daiichi Knot Assist. Also makes it easy to tie on the water, no need to lean the rod to create line tension etc. So that's what it is.

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Dalleinf » Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:41 pm

Drakestar wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:18 pm
Cal wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:09 am
SteveSchmelzle wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:13 pm
So, the jury is out on the 'best' knot for tying braid to flouro.
The best knot is the one you yourself can tie reliably ;)
That, and "the one you have most confidence in". I lost an 8 pounder at Clear Lake to a surgeons loop, haven't tied it since then. Probably totally unfair to the knot, maybe I should learn how to set the drag ;) But let's be honest, we make these superstitious decisions all the time. My FG reliability went up that remaining 4.5% or so (95 to 99.5%) when I started using the Daiichi Knot Assist. Also makes it easy to tie on the water, no need to lean the rod to create line tension etc. So that's what it is.
I have been using the uni-uni knot for years. Never had a knot failure, but I find it annnoying with the knot hitting the guides. Have been eyeballing the Daiichi knot assist tool. Do you recommend it?

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Drakestar » Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 am

Dalleinf wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:41 pm
Drakestar wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:18 pm
Cal wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:09 am
SteveSchmelzle wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:13 pm
So, the jury is out on the 'best' knot for tying braid to flouro.
The best knot is the one you yourself can tie reliably ;)
That, and "the one you have most confidence in". I lost an 8 pounder at Clear Lake to a surgeons loop, haven't tied it since then. Probably totally unfair to the knot, maybe I should learn how to set the drag ;) But let's be honest, we make these superstitious decisions all the time. My FG reliability went up that remaining 4.5% or so (95 to 99.5%) when I started using the Daiichi Knot Assist. Also makes it easy to tie on the water, no need to lean the rod to create line tension etc. So that's what it is.
I have been using the uni-uni knot for years. Never had a knot failure, but I find it annnoying with the knot hitting the guides. Have been eyeballing the Daiichi knot assist tool. Do you recommend it?
I like it and would recommend it, especially if you were tying FG Knots before. I think it helped because I was very used to using that knot, anyway; I don't think it'll change the opinion of anybody who doesn't like FGs.

It just helped me go from "line between my teeth, rod leaning away from me to create line tension while I go cross-eyed making wraps right on front of my face" to "tool in my hands while I tie the knot". The latter is a vast improvement, particularly on the water :)

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Dalleinf » Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:18 am

Drakestar wrote:
Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:13 am
Dalleinf wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:41 pm
Drakestar wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:18 pm
Cal wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:09 am
SteveSchmelzle wrote:
Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:13 pm
So, the jury is out on the 'best' knot for tying braid to flouro.
The best knot is the one you yourself can tie reliably ;)
That, and "the one you have most confidence in". I lost an 8 pounder at Clear Lake to a surgeons loop, haven't tied it since then. Probably totally unfair to the knot, maybe I should learn how to set the drag ;) But let's be honest, we make these superstitious decisions all the time. My FG reliability went up that remaining 4.5% or so (95 to 99.5%) when I started using the Daiichi Knot Assist. Also makes it easy to tie on the water, no need to lean the rod to create line tension etc. So that's what it is.
I have been using the uni-uni knot for years. Never had a knot failure, but I find it annnoying with the knot hitting the guides. Have been eyeballing the Daiichi knot assist tool. Do you recommend it?
I like it and would recommend it, especially if you were tying FG Knots before. I think it helped because I was very used to using that knot, anyway; I don't think it'll change the opinion of anybody who doesn't like FGs.

It just helped me go from "line between my teeth, rod leaning away from me to create line tension while I go cross-eyed making wraps right on front of my face" to "tool in my hands while I tie the knot". The latter is a vast improvement, particularly on the water :)
Thanks! On the the xmas list ;)

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by amso4 » Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:20 pm

I picked up at "knot assist tool" from alliexpress for $18. It works well for tying the FG.

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Plitz » Wed Dec 01, 2021 11:57 pm

So nobody is using the GT knot ?

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by jvelth74 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:43 am

Dalleinf wrote:
Tue Dec 01, 2020 8:41 pm
I have been using the uni-uni knot for years. Never had a knot failure, but I find it annnoying with the knot hitting the guides. Have been eyeballing the Daiichi knot assist tool. Do you recommend it?
Properly made Uni knot never fails, but it is a little weak point and it can't properly be reeled through guides.

FG knot is stronger knot and it is very slim and it can be reeled through guides. I use currently nearly only FG knot and I use Daiichi FG Knot Assist tool for it. For most thickness I use (FG = 0.49, 0.39 and 0.30) it works good. With 0.30 mm has to be careful that knot goes correctly. Assist tool allows to make FG knot in everywhere and for 0.49 and 0.39 I think could do knot even in total darkness. FG knot tool doesn't make it faster to make knot so I try to make knots ready at home.

Because currently I use FG knots, it allows me to use long leaders, which I like and it is handy in my opinion. For BFS it makes easier to fish in very shallow water because of 0.49 mm FC lifts bait a lot. In BFS fishing I have different thickness leaders with me in a Minigrips bags, short less than 1 m of braid with those, it's different coloured marker than my main line, which helps me seeing where mu lure comes in murky waters. I tie double Uni from braid to braid, and it has never failed and braid to braid double Uni can be reeled in. Different thicknesses of leaders because of if I change from very shallow fishing to bottom contact fishing in deeper place. And because of I use braid at rapids, long FC gives some extra protection against rocks. In BFS I don't use longer FC leader than length of rod, because I don't like to reel it to small spool. In case of seatrout fishing with 34 mm or bigger spools I use that long leaders than I found reasonable extra protection when fishing in rocky places or extra floating in shallow water. Currently I actual like feeling of my properly tied FG lefts from spool trough guides, it makes some strange satisfaction that can do this kind of knot and rely on it.

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Dalleinf » Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:08 am

Thanks again - did not get it last year...will this year :-)

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by reason162 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:05 am

jvelth74 wrote:
Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:43 am
Currently I actual like feeling of my properly tied FG lefts from spool trough guides, it makes some strange satisfaction that can do this kind of knot and rely on it.
How long is your leader for your sea trout applications?

When I go longer than 8-9ft (so as to reel the connection knot into the spool) my casts feel squirrely - I think bc of different dia/weight of fluoro to braid in the middle of the cast. With the Twing I do not see a small compact knot like the Alberto/Albright making a big difference - it certainly casts just fine if I leave the knot between reel and stripper guide.

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by jvelth74 » Thu Dec 02, 2021 8:28 am

My rod's are 9 - 12 feet. Usually I have reeled something ~2 feet of leader to my spool. So I have used 10+ feet leaders. I have tried this only with T-wing reels.

In my OG HLC Zillion has not braid, it's thin nylon in there and there very thick 20 feet m shock leader, tied by surgeons knot.

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by Freddie » Thu May 26, 2022 8:11 am

Another vote for the FG…I rarely have to retie it because if I do break off it’s always at the lure/bait end of the leader. I run it through T-Wings, multiple large fish, and weeks without having to retie. What’s not to like?

I’d rather tie a good knot once a week and have confidence in it than tie a sub par knot every other day and be afraid of it every time I set the hook.

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Re: Braid to fluorocarbon

Post by bobmatsuoka » Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:43 am

Midnight is my favorite.

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