J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
Of these lines, what experiences does anyone have? I own the Sufix Nanobraid in 6lb, and I really like it. Very thin, been strong, held color decently. I just thought I should try something new.
I saw the Daiwa J-Braid Grand comes in at 0.10mm/.003" for 6lb and 0.13mm/.005" for 8lb.
The current Nanobraid is 0.10mm/.004" for 6lb.
Another option, Berkley X9 is offered in 0.08mm/.003" for 6lb and 0.10mm/.004" for 8lb. So they are all very close and as long as these diameters are fairly accurate I should be good. Right now my backup spinning reel, a Ci4+ 2500 FB has 8lb 832 and it is way too thick at 0.18mm/.007". The older Stradic Ci4+ FA with the Nanobraid casts much further and easier, on the same rod.
So if anyone has experience with these I'd like to know, even if suggesting to stick with Nanobraid. I just need a lighter line for throwing those tiny cranks and 1/16oz crappie jigs.
I saw the Daiwa J-Braid Grand comes in at 0.10mm/.003" for 6lb and 0.13mm/.005" for 8lb.
The current Nanobraid is 0.10mm/.004" for 6lb.
Another option, Berkley X9 is offered in 0.08mm/.003" for 6lb and 0.10mm/.004" for 8lb. So they are all very close and as long as these diameters are fairly accurate I should be good. Right now my backup spinning reel, a Ci4+ 2500 FB has 8lb 832 and it is way too thick at 0.18mm/.007". The older Stradic Ci4+ FA with the Nanobraid casts much further and easier, on the same rod.
So if anyone has experience with these I'd like to know, even if suggesting to stick with Nanobraid. I just need a lighter line for throwing those tiny cranks and 1/16oz crappie jigs.
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
These I used:
Berkley Fireline Ultra 8 carrier .12mm 4# knot break 8# 4 oz.
Berkley NanoFil 6# .13mm knot break 9# 14 oz.
Berkley NanoFil 4# .10mm knot break 7# 5 oz.
Sufix 832 Ice Braid .10mm 4# knot break 9# 2 oz. (FG knot break 13# 7 oz.)
Sufix 832 Braid .20 mm 10/4 knot break 17# 5 oz. (palomar knot 15# 14 oz. FG knot break 20#)
Sufix 832 Braid .23 mm 20/6 knot break 19# 0 oz. (palomar knot 17# 8 oz.)
Sufix 131 G-Core 6# .14 mm knot break 9# 9 oz. (FG knot break 11# 12 oz.)
Sufix 131 G-Core 10# .20 mm knot break 12# 4 oz. (FG knot break 17# 13 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .06 mm 6# knot break 8# 4 oz. (FG knot break 9# 3 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .15 mm 10# knot break 13# (FG knot break 17# 12 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .19 mm 15# knot break 18#
Diawa J-Braid x8 .23 mm 20# knot break 19# 14 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .06mm 6# knot break 6# 4 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .13 mm 8# knot break 10# 12 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .15 mm 10# knot break 16# 14 oz.
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .131 mm 14# listed knot break 6# 15 oz. (FG knot break 9# 14 oz.)
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .153 mm 16# listed knot break 9# 7 oz. (FG knot break 14# 1 oz.)
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .171 mm 22# listed Knot break 13# 5 oz.
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .185 mm 25# listed knot break 14# 13 oz. (FG knot break 18# 14 oz.)
YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braid .165 mm 10# listed knot break 9# 10 oz.
YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braid .185 mm 14# listed knot break 10# 10 oz.
The only Berkley X9 I've used is 50# so that's not as comparable to the thinner lines. However compared to similar lines of 50# braids, the X9 has slightly less distance in feel or rather no gain over. Old Berkley Whiplash 50# out distance it easily. I may learn to like X9 over that of Sufix 832. FG knot is more prone to slip on X9 compared to other braids under pull to fail scenarios connected to 30# mono.
And Diawa re-classified it's 6# .06mm line diameter as .10mm currently (which was suspected when they first release it). Not that I actually tested and measured for distance on cast, but I feel that the YGK G-Soul Upgrade has the furthest distance. I prefer standard J-Braid over that of J-Braid Grand. I'm still a fan of Fireline and would use that again as well. Just that other braids have certain features that I like better. Most of the reels I use are Stradic 1000 size.
Berkley Fireline Ultra 8 carrier .12mm 4# knot break 8# 4 oz.
Berkley NanoFil 6# .13mm knot break 9# 14 oz.
Berkley NanoFil 4# .10mm knot break 7# 5 oz.
Sufix 832 Ice Braid .10mm 4# knot break 9# 2 oz. (FG knot break 13# 7 oz.)
Sufix 832 Braid .20 mm 10/4 knot break 17# 5 oz. (palomar knot 15# 14 oz. FG knot break 20#)
Sufix 832 Braid .23 mm 20/6 knot break 19# 0 oz. (palomar knot 17# 8 oz.)
Sufix 131 G-Core 6# .14 mm knot break 9# 9 oz. (FG knot break 11# 12 oz.)
Sufix 131 G-Core 10# .20 mm knot break 12# 4 oz. (FG knot break 17# 13 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .06 mm 6# knot break 8# 4 oz. (FG knot break 9# 3 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .15 mm 10# knot break 13# (FG knot break 17# 12 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .19 mm 15# knot break 18#
Diawa J-Braid x8 .23 mm 20# knot break 19# 14 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .06mm 6# knot break 6# 4 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .13 mm 8# knot break 10# 12 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .15 mm 10# knot break 16# 14 oz.
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .131 mm 14# listed knot break 6# 15 oz. (FG knot break 9# 14 oz.)
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .153 mm 16# listed knot break 9# 7 oz. (FG knot break 14# 1 oz.)
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .171 mm 22# listed Knot break 13# 5 oz.
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .185 mm 25# listed knot break 14# 13 oz. (FG knot break 18# 14 oz.)
YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braid .165 mm 10# listed knot break 9# 10 oz.
YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braid .185 mm 14# listed knot break 10# 10 oz.
The only Berkley X9 I've used is 50# so that's not as comparable to the thinner lines. However compared to similar lines of 50# braids, the X9 has slightly less distance in feel or rather no gain over. Old Berkley Whiplash 50# out distance it easily. I may learn to like X9 over that of Sufix 832. FG knot is more prone to slip on X9 compared to other braids under pull to fail scenarios connected to 30# mono.
And Diawa re-classified it's 6# .06mm line diameter as .10mm currently (which was suspected when they first release it). Not that I actually tested and measured for distance on cast, but I feel that the YGK G-Soul Upgrade has the furthest distance. I prefer standard J-Braid over that of J-Braid Grand. I'm still a fan of Fireline and would use that again as well. Just that other braids have certain features that I like better. Most of the reels I use are Stradic 1000 size.
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
Of those 3, the X9 comes in 1st, then the nanobraid is a close 2nd. I haven't used the j-braid. The only reason x9 is #1 is that it is so crazy-smooth and limp. It has also proven to be tough compared to the diameter, which is insanely thin.
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
Thanks for all the info. Haven't ever tried or considered YGK. Still trying to solve and sort my Black Friday purchases. Considered putting 7lb fluorocarbon on an Alphas AIR or new Aldebaran BFS if that is even recommended...slipperybob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 5:34 pmThese I used:
Berkley Fireline Ultra 8 carrier .12mm 4# knot break 8# 4 oz.
Berkley NanoFil 6# .13mm knot break 9# 14 oz.
Berkley NanoFil 4# .10mm knot break 7# 5 oz.
Sufix 832 Ice Braid .10mm 4# knot break 9# 2 oz. (FG knot break 13# 7 oz.)
Sufix 832 Braid .20 mm 10/4 knot break 17# 5 oz. (palomar knot 15# 14 oz. FG knot break 20#)
Sufix 832 Braid .23 mm 20/6 knot break 19# 0 oz. (palomar knot 17# 8 oz.)
Sufix 131 G-Core 6# .14 mm knot break 9# 9 oz. (FG knot break 11# 12 oz.)
Sufix 131 G-Core 10# .20 mm knot break 12# 4 oz. (FG knot break 17# 13 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .06 mm 6# knot break 8# 4 oz. (FG knot break 9# 3 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .15 mm 10# knot break 13# (FG knot break 17# 12 oz.)
Diawa J-Braid x8 .19 mm 15# knot break 18#
Diawa J-Braid x8 .23 mm 20# knot break 19# 14 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .06mm 6# knot break 6# 4 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .13 mm 8# knot break 10# 12 oz.
Diawa J-Braid Grand x8 .15 mm 10# knot break 16# 14 oz.
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .131 mm 14# listed knot break 6# 15 oz. (FG knot break 9# 14 oz.)
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .153 mm 16# listed knot break 9# 7 oz. (FG knot break 14# 1 oz.)
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .171 mm 22# listed Knot break 13# 5 oz.
YGK G-Soul Upgrade X-8 .185 mm 25# listed knot break 14# 13 oz. (FG knot break 18# 14 oz.)
YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braid .165 mm 10# listed knot break 9# 10 oz.
YGK G-Soul SS112 Sinking Braid .185 mm 14# listed knot break 10# 10 oz.
The only Berkley X9 I've used is 50# so that's not as comparable to the thinner lines. However compared to similar lines of 50# braids, the X9 has slightly less distance in feel or rather no gain over. Old Berkley Whiplash 50# out distance it easily. I may learn to like X9 over that of Sufix 832. FG knot is more prone to slip on X9 compared to other braids under pull to fail scenarios connected to 30# mono.
And Diawa re-classified it's 6# .06mm line diameter as .10mm currently (which was suspected when they first release it). Not that I actually tested and measured for distance on cast, but I feel that the YGK G-Soul Upgrade has the furthest distance. I prefer standard J-Braid over that of J-Braid Grand. I'm still a fan of Fireline and would use that again as well. Just that other braids have certain features that I like better. Most of the reels I use are Stradic 1000 size.
Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
It appears that every rating of YGK breaks at a lower number than its listed rating?
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
Yeah, I confirmed that for myself with my crude fish scale home test. However the merits in that line is more so on the line management and behavior on the spool. Very thin line that also exhibits reduced line dig in and lack of a pinched bur means great consistent repeated casts for both spinning and casting reels.
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
Koolio. Based upon my needs assessment, I'm probably just going to pick up some 12-14 Sufix Nanobraid since it'll be for power fishing on a Rock Bass 8'3" MH and Kage 7'0" MedFast, both spinning. Also, I'm fishing areas with some gnarly wood, flotsam, and rock in the middle Tennessee rivers.slipperybob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 10:41 amYeah, I confirmed that for myself with my crude fish scale home test. However the merits in that line is more so on the line management and behavior on the spool. Very thin line that also exhibits reduced line dig in and lack of a pinched bur means great consistent repeated casts for both spinning and casting reels.
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
Have you tossed upwards of 3/4 oz and in river conditions with lots of rock, snags, and wood with YGK and have it hold up? I will be running a heavier 15-17 fluoro leader. I will be using mostly 3/8-3/4 total weights and will at times be dealing with fast moving river waters.
What test YGK do you think I should be using to achieve this?
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
I have 40lb spooled up on my tog reels to 50lb fluoro leaders, fishing wrecks with locked down Tranx 400s. I think 40-50lb will do fine for your applications, but I don't rely on any braid's abrasion resistance - I go 9-10ft leaders at a minimum (keeping my connection knot between the reel and the stripper guide).dragon1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:21 pmHave you tossed upwards of 3/4 oz and in river conditions with lots of rock, snags, and wood with YGK and have it hold up? I will be running a heavier 15-17 fluoro leader. I will be using mostly 3/8-3/4 total weights and will at times be dealing with fast moving river waters.
What test YGK do you think I should be using to achieve this?
Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
I'm am using a 2013 Certate 2510R-PE, that spool diameter is between the current LT 2500 and 3000. The other reel is a Team Daiwa 1300i which has the older design long cast spool design, so diameter is about a 2000 sized LT. I think that 40-50 YGK might be a bit thick in diameter.reason162 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:03 pmI have 40lb spooled up on my tog reels to 50lb fluoro leaders, fishing wrecks with locked down Tranx 400s. I think 40-50lb will do fine for your applications, but I don't rely on any braid's abrasion resistance - I go 9-10ft leaders at a minimum (keeping my connection knot between the reel and the stripper guide).dragon1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:21 pmHave you tossed upwards of 3/4 oz and in river conditions with lots of rock, snags, and wood with YGK and have it hold up? I will be running a heavier 15-17 fluoro leader. I will be using mostly 3/8-3/4 total weights and will at times be dealing with fast moving river waters.
What test YGK do you think I should be using to achieve this?
FWIW, I am using 15lb Tufline 4orce, it is very thin and strong, tough, and abrasion resistance, but it is loud coming through the guides and doesn't cast as far as I would like. 15 4orce is the same diameter of 16 YGK.
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
16lb YGK is PE 0.8 - I highly doubt 15lb Tufline is anywhere near as thin. To give you some idea 16lb YGK is thinner than "6lb" J Braid. Going by lb test with braid is a fool's game...I can never understand why we (in the USA) stick by this nonsensical system.dragon1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:35 pmI'm am using a 2013 Certate 2510R-PE, that spool diameter is between the current LT 2500 and 3000. The other reel is a Team Daiwa 1300i which has the older design long cast spool design, so diameter is about a 2000 sized LT. I think that 40-50 YGK might be a bit thick in diameter.
FWIW, I am using 15lb Tufline 4orce, it is very thin and strong, tough, and abrasion resistance, but it is loud coming through the guides and doesn't cast as far as I would like. 15 4orce is the same diameter of 16 YGK.
In any case, I would use PE1 (22lb YGK) on your Certate since you are tying to such heavy leader material. Not sure why you don't use baitcasters for this application but I use PE1 YGK to 12-15lb fluoro on my 3000/4000 sized Stella and Certates for light duty surf fishing and it works great.
Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
Tufline 4orce 15lb is .006/.153...same as 16lb YGK Soul ratings. I am very intrigued with the YGK 22lb however.dragon1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:35 pmI'm am using a 2013 Certate 2510R-PE, that spool diameter is between the current LT 2500 and 3000. The other reel is a Team Daiwa 1300i which has the older design long cast spool design, so diameter is about a 2000 sized LT. I think that 40-50 YGK might be a bit thick in diameter.reason162 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:03 pmI have 40lb spooled up on my tog reels to 50lb fluoro leaders, fishing wrecks with locked down Tranx 400s. I think 40-50lb will do fine for your applications, but I don't rely on any braid's abrasion resistance - I go 9-10ft leaders at a minimum (keeping my connection knot between the reel and the stripper guide).dragon1 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:21 pmHave you tossed upwards of 3/4 oz and in river conditions with lots of rock, snags, and wood with YGK and have it hold up? I will be running a heavier 15-17 fluoro leader. I will be using mostly 3/8-3/4 total weights and will at times be dealing with fast moving river waters.
What test YGK do you think I should be using to achieve this?
FWIW, I am using 15lb Tufline 4orce, it is very thin and strong, tough, and abrasion resistance, but it is loud coming through the guides and doesn't cast as far as I would like. 15 4orce is the same diameter of 16 YGK.
Also, you are assuming that I ALSO DO NOT use BCs, which of course I do. Spinning for certain lures that tumble on cast or for fun of the drag searing or the length/power combo of 8'0" + to drift lures more effectively in moving water, is much easier to wield than a BC, BFS or standard BC. As well, inline Mepps, Blue Fox and Rooster Tails, etc, fish much better on a L or UL power spinning rod with light braid, as do smaller Beetle Spin type lures and smaller plastics. Spinning also has better drag start up and control throughout a fight with a feisty hard running smallie or gar, etc, and especially in moving water. Spinning also has higher IPTs per like gear ratio vs a BC due to the larger spool diameter and allows for much higher IPTs with UL/L lure ratings and light braid versus a BFS, which even at 8-9:1 is nowhere near even a standard ~7.3:1 BC with say a 34-36 mm spool.
There's more, but leave it to suffice that there are many reasons I want specific spinning setups on the rivers along with BCs.
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Re: J-Braid vs X9 vs Nanobraid
BTW, my reply above was meant for your last reply reason162.
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