Phenix K2 715 vs 736

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Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Bfweld » Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:51 pm

Anyone have experience with both of these blanks? I’m looking for a 3/8-1/2oz bass jig rod blank to build up as “the ultimate jig rod”…I’ve seen people recommend the 715 as a jig rod but I’d prefer a 7’3” blank if I can.

Side note…this build will be competing against a point blank PB731HXF for the title of ultimate jig rod. They will be built identically.

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by iabass8 » Sun Jun 05, 2022 4:30 pm

I only have experience /w the 736 and it is a fantastic 3/8+ jig rod. Very good taper for jigs. Has alot of power for it's weight range.

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by mobass11652 » Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:26 pm

If you like the 736, you’ll absolutely love the sj725

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Cal » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:21 am

Bfweld wrote:
Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:51 pm
Side note…this build will be competing against a point blank PB731HXF for the title of ultimate jig rod. They will be built identically.
The PB731HXF is more of a medium heavy than heavy. I've built on two of these blanks recently. Article is in the works.

The K2 736 is a nice blank and very versatile. I have one built up as a paddletail rod.
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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by dennis_rf » Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:57 am

Cal wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:21 am

The PB731HXF is more of a medium heavy than heavy. I've built on two of these blanks recently. Article is in the works.
Hoping to see a RoD deflection chart!

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Cal » Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:18 am

dennis_rf wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:57 am
Cal wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:21 am

The PB731HXF is more of a medium heavy than heavy. I've built on two of these blanks recently. Article is in the works.
Hoping to see a RoD deflection chart!
Here you go... Note, I've only been able to fish the Phenix K2 736H once and still don't have a good feel for it yet, but the PB731HXF definitely fishes more like a MH.
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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by MardukFIN » Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:20 pm

Wow, Thanks Cal!

Do you have NFC MB 736-1 X-ray deflection chart? It's most sensitive MH (RDA ~520-540g) blank for jigs what i have ever tested. I like it more than K2 or SCV Croix.

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Cal » Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:23 pm

MardukFIN wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:20 pm
Do you have NFC MB 736-1 X-ray deflection chart?
Unfortunately, I've not built on that blank... going from memory, I think my NFC builds are limited to:

Flip 766-1 HM
MB 709-1 HM
MB 808-1 X-Ray Neo XH
SB 722-1 X-Ray LMX
DS 6100-1 X-Ray LMX

and I'm not sure if I've charted them or not but i can check if any one is interested in the charts.
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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Bfweld » Fri Jun 10, 2022 9:48 pm

Cal wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:21 am
Bfweld wrote:
Sun Jun 05, 2022 2:51 pm
Side note…this build will be competing against a point blank PB731HXF for the title of ultimate jig rod. They will be built identically.
The PB731HXF is more of a medium heavy than heavy. I've built on two of these blanks recently. Article is in the works.

The K2 736 is a nice blank and very versatile. I have one built up as a paddletail rod.

If it’s too light for jigs then it’ll see plenty of use with swimjigs and Texas rigs. I don’t think point blank has any other blank that is closer to being a good jig blank. I bought the PB731HXF and the PB761HF at the same time and felt that the PB731HXF had the stiffer tip section of the two blanks. At the moment it looks like I’ll be getting the k2 736 and also an nfc sj765 to put in the mix.

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by dennis_rf » Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:35 pm

Cal wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:18 am
dennis_rf wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:57 am
Cal wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:21 am

The PB731HXF is more of a medium heavy than heavy. I've built on two of these blanks recently. Article is in the works.
Hoping to see a RoD deflection chart!
Here you go... Note, I've only been able to fish the Phenix K2 736H once and still don't have a good feel for it yet, but the PB731HXF definitely fishes more like a MH.

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I've just taken the measurements of the PB701MHF twice because I couldnt believe my eyes and put them on top of your chart here...
Am I doing anything wrong? Im using the CRB deflection tool, moving it up to 30° angle and then measuring the distance from the ceiling, calculating the difference to no load to get the deflection.
Can the MH 7‘ be heavier than the H 7‘3?
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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Cal » Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:16 pm

dennis_rf wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:35 pm

Can the MH 7‘ be heavier than the H 7‘3?
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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Bfweld » Sun Jun 12, 2022 7:46 pm

dennis_rf wrote:
Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:35 pm
Cal wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 9:18 am
dennis_rf wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:57 am
Cal wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:21 am

The PB731HXF is more of a medium heavy than heavy. I've built on two of these blanks recently. Article is in the works.
Hoping to see a RoD deflection chart!
Here you go... Note, I've only been able to fish the Phenix K2 736H once and still don't have a good feel for it yet, but the PB731HXF definitely fishes more like a MH.

chrt_pointblankpb731hxf.jpg

chrt_phenixpb736h.jpg
I've just taken the measurements of the PB701MHF twice because I couldnt believe my eyes and put them on top of your chart here...
Am I doing anything wrong? Im using the CRB deflection tool, moving it up to 30° angle and then measuring the distance from the ceiling, calculating the difference to no load to get the deflection.
Can the MH 7‘ be heavier than the H 7‘3?
I would doubt the PB701MHF is heavier than the PB731HXF, maybe I’m wrong but that would be a pretty big surprise if it is in fact heavier, but also make no sense. I have a feeling some results are off in this case.

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by dennis_rf » Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:14 pm

I’ve put some more thought into it:

When I first posted about how the 701MHF being way more powerful than indicated on the Point Blank website, they’ve changed some of the information after a board member called them - from 525g to 630g RDA - same measurements I got. (Also from 3/4oz to 1.25oz lure weight)
RDA goes up when a blank is longer because it needs to bend deeper. Take the 691MHXF for example: it’s a 560g RDA Blank but with the RoD method, it’s virtually identical to the 701MHF. It also feels identically powerful in real life.
So when you take away the of the RDA power for extra length of the values given on the Point Blank website, you end up with a less powerful 731H than the 701MH.

Also, Cal didn’t correct my method of getting the values :D

Maybe we got a jig blank right there. Compared to a 7‘2 Expride, the tip of the PB is still way softer tho.

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by Bfweld » Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:21 am

dennis_rf wrote:
Sun Jun 12, 2022 11:14 pm
I’ve put some more thought into it:

When I first posted about how the 701MHF being way more powerful than indicated on the Point Blank website, they’ve changed some of the information after a board member called them - from 525g to 630g RDA - same measurements I got. (Also from 3/4oz to 1.25oz lure weight)
RDA goes up when a blank is longer because it needs to bend deeper. Take the 691MHXF for example: it’s a 560g RDA Blank but with the RoD method, it’s virtually identical to the 701MHF. It also feels identically powerful in real life.
So when you take away the of the RDA power for extra length of the values given on the Point Blank website, you end up with a less powerful 731H than the 701MH.

Also, Cal didn’t correct my method of getting the values :D

Maybe we got a jig blank right there. Compared to a 7‘2 Expride, the tip of the PB is still way softer tho.
The data I’ve seen does indeed have the PB701MHF up around 600, which would be a little more powerful than the PB731MHXF…but the data I have for the PB731HXF has it up close to or over 700. Part of me wonders if Cal was measuring a PB731MHXF instead of the PB731HXF but I have no reason to doubt him other than what I know about the blanks and the data I have access too.

Your comment on the tip still feeling soft, is in my experience thus far, a typical thing of PB blanks. A lot of them have a “light for power” tip section. I have a PB731MHXF and it is definitely on the light side of MH. I also have a PB761HF that has a tip section more along the lines of a MH or mag MH but both rods have quite a bit of power. I’ve got the PB731HXF waiting to be built and I for one would not say it’s closer to a MH…the tip section is maybe light heavy or mag MH but it has a ton of power in the midsection.

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Re: Phenix K2 715 vs 736

Post by MikeK » Mon Jun 13, 2022 1:14 pm

I looked at what I think was the first TSFO article and it described RoD but is there a separate article or tutorial on the process?

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